Are there rimfire competitions?
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I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic boys
You still think after posts 14,16 and 17 he was being sarcastic !? The OP seems to have a penchant for making brash uneducated statements, as he did the same over in the Precision Rifle forum and got slayed.
But giving him the benefit of the doubt and sarcasm was the intent, it shouldn't be used as a defense for lack of knowledge or stupidity. It seems that some people never learn to stop skating uphill.
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- Edmonton Alberta, Canada
brash or not, i'm not talking about world class competition rifles here, out of the box any reasonable midrange standard bolt action 17HMR with off the shelf generic ammo is as good as a top end 22LR with match ammo in any usual persons hands... and a novice will meet or exceed an experienced shooters performance using the 17 over the 22.
Seen it every single time side by side.
if you have to trot out your fancy match 22LR rifle with special ammo to compete, youre making my point for me.. its superior.
17HMR isnt a fad...
its just not as cheap as 22LR. ####ty balls of lead on a stubby tube... no rifling, no necking, no proper projectile just a blob on a cylinder.
i just put the rifle on the bench and let everyone impress the heck out of themselves, and it amazes me every time how the dad with 20 years shooting experience often doesnt outdo his teenage daughter who is brand new by that much...
the rifle and the caliber do more of the work.
you gotta be GOOD, to be good with a 22LR...
Seen it every single time side by side.
if you have to trot out your fancy match 22LR rifle with special ammo to compete, youre making my point for me.. its superior.
17HMR isnt a fad...
its just not as cheap as 22LR. ####ty balls of lead on a stubby tube... no rifling, no necking, no proper projectile just a blob on a cylinder.
i just put the rifle on the bench and let everyone impress the heck out of themselves, and it amazes me every time how the dad with 20 years shooting experience often doesnt outdo his teenage daughter who is brand new by that much...
the rifle and the caliber do more of the work.
you gotta be GOOD, to be good with a 22LR...
For the cost of .17 hmr ammo I can just about load match grade .223 Rem and shoot the pants off any .17 hmr at 100 yards or 200yards or 500 yards.....with a factory savage M12.
So it all comes down to what you like, why would I buy a .22lr when a .17 is better.... or why would I buy a .17 when a .223 is better.ect.......or a 6br....
So it all comes down to what you like, why would I buy a .22lr when a .17 is better.... or why would I buy a .17 when a .223 is better.ect.......or a 6br....
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- Edmonton Alberta, Canada
not a fan of 223 because its not rimfire, for these applications rimfire is just simpler.. at 24 cents a round, you're kinda glad the 17HMR rifles are all pretty much bolt action lol
but yeah, my 7.62x54R archangel mosin outshoots just about anything 308 or 30-06... intuitively good... after a lot of work to it.
theres always something better..
but sticking to rimfire....
i like shooting beer cans with 22LR, with a 110round drum mag.
I like to shoot the caps off chapstick farther away than most people can see even with an average scope...
with 17HMR
personal choice i suppose but the point remains... people who are good at 22LR are GOOD... and you need top level gear to make it really good.
for average people with little experience and no training... to be able to unbox a rifle, throw a cheap scope on, and perform just about at match level.... almost anyone off the street who tries it....
I find that amazing.
Like i said.. my $600 setup in 17HMR outperforms my $1800 setup in 22LR in the same hands... its just easier... nicer... if what youre trying to do is share holes between bullets
Not that its impossible to do it in 22...... just takes a lot more practice and skill and equipment.
not a fan of 223 because its not rimfire, for these applications rimfire is just simpler.. at 24 cents a round, you're kinda glad the 17HMR rifles are all pretty much bolt action lol
but yeah, my 7.62x54R archangel mosin outshoots just about anything 308 or 30-06... intuitively good... after a lot of work to it.
theres always something better..
but sticking to rimfire....
i like shooting beer cans with 22LR, with a 110round drum mag.
I like to shoot the caps off chapstick farther away than most people can see even with an average scope...
with 17HMR
personal choice i suppose but the point remains... people who are good at 22LR are GOOD... and you need top level gear to make it really good.
for average people with little experience and no training... to be able to unbox a rifle, throw a cheap scope on, and perform just about at match level.... almost anyone off the street who tries it....
I find that amazing.
Like i said.. my $600 setup in 17HMR outperforms my $1800 setup in 22LR in the same hands... its just easier... nicer... if what youre trying to do is share holes between bullets
Not that its impossible to do it in 22...... just takes a lot more practice and skill and equipment.
It's not our fault that you were silly enough to waste $1800 on an SR22, instead of buying a quality rifle. But the fact that you are basing your comparison on an SR22, does make it easier to understand why your opinion is so badly flawed.
Ugh. You guys are giving me a headache.
The OP is making a good argument (over and over again) but is doing so rudely, and while pissing on everyone he disagrees with.
The rest of you are right, but are being dense (intentionally or otherwise), and ignoring the core of the ops posts.
A BASIC .17 in the hands of an AMATEUR will OUTSHOOT a BASIC .22 in the hands of an AMATEUR at 100 yards or more.
That's just how it is.
You .22 folks are excellent marksmen, but at the CORE of this whole argument, you're wrong.
Op, you're right. Just don't be a d*ck about it.
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The OP is making a good argument (over and over again) but is doing so rudely, and while pissing on everyone he disagrees with.
The rest of you are right, but are being dense (intentionally or otherwise), and ignoring the core of the ops posts.
A BASIC .17 in the hands of an AMATEUR will OUTSHOOT a BASIC .22 in the hands of an AMATEUR at 100 yards or more.
That's just how it is.
You .22 folks are excellent marksmen, but at the CORE of this whole argument, you're wrong.
Op, you're right. Just don't be a d*ck about it.
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Now that you are the guru of rim fire try stepping it up a notch. .These old guys on here some-with 50 years of shooting practice and competition could surely use your guidance. sarcasm off.
I think the fun and challenge of rim fire shooting is the shooter mastering the machine. I recently picked up a T bolt Target in 17 hmr and yes it seems very accurate ,but it is in no way as much fun to shot as some of my other rifles. I enjoy my NACCO Target model 30, really just a cheap gun with Lyman 57 's on it. Some days it or we shoot tacks together some days not, that the fun of it. so remember this a sport to be mastered and enjoyed.
oh ya my Anny 54 Match is fun to just different fun
I think the fun and challenge of rim fire shooting is the shooter mastering the machine. I recently picked up a T bolt Target in 17 hmr and yes it seems very accurate ,but it is in no way as much fun to shot as some of my other rifles. I enjoy my NACCO Target model 30, really just a cheap gun with Lyman 57 's on it. Some days it or we shoot tacks together some days not, that the fun of it. so remember this a sport to be mastered and enjoyed.
oh ya my Anny 54 Match is fun to just different fun
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I have a cz 452 22lr I also have a cz 452 hmr. Both were around $550 plus glass. the 22lr with ammo costing about $10/50 rounds shoots the same size groups at 50 yards as the hmr does with $17/50 rounds.
At 100 yards the 22lr holds around an inch to inch and a half. The hmr I have gotten ¾" to inch and a half. Both have 3-9x40 scopes as well.
So what does that tell you? 22lr with cheaper ammunition shoots just as near as makes no difference as the hmr. Up until recently my farthest gopher kill shot was with a cz 452 lux and mini mags at 80 yards. Guess what it shoots those into .5"-.75" at 50 yards with the stock from sights. With the right gun, and shooter amazing things are possible with a 22lr and all for around half +/- the cost.
Do yourself a favour and scrap that $1800 toy and get a really nice accurate 22lr and have some fun.
At 100 yards the 22lr holds around an inch to inch and a half. The hmr I have gotten ¾" to inch and a half. Both have 3-9x40 scopes as well.
So what does that tell you? 22lr with cheaper ammunition shoots just as near as makes no difference as the hmr. Up until recently my farthest gopher kill shot was with a cz 452 lux and mini mags at 80 yards. Guess what it shoots those into .5"-.75" at 50 yards with the stock from sights. With the right gun, and shooter amazing things are possible with a 22lr and all for around half +/- the cost.
Do yourself a favour and scrap that $1800 toy and get a really nice accurate 22lr and have some fun.
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- Edmonton Alberta, Canada
thanks
trying to be #### minimalist but after the core message goes over the heads a few times... you know... internet.I like my stupid, overpriced SR22 setup... for the same money i could do just about anything else... but meh... why not go with a power custom match bolt, extended charging handle and custom strength springs, urethane recoil buffers, fancy brake, timney trigger, vortex optics, and a bunch of other goodies... nothing is more fun when you slap a 110round drum onto it
i could hand it to a pro and theyd shoot magic with it, surely.
but you can hand my 93R17 to a fresh greenie and they'd make magic with it. just unreal.
I wonder, if i actually bought match rifles the difference would probably be a bit better but starting off so well... WAY more encouraging than full size rifles in the 7.62 range...
84 year old BSA Martini Model 12 rifle, iron aperture sights, 68 year old shooter with bifocals and cataracts, off the bench at 50M, with a front rest only. Ammo was out-of-the-box Federal 510C HV 22LR, purchased for $19.95 a 500-rd brick. Two 5-rd groups and one 10-rd group. Plenty of other similar group photos available on request. Who needs a high-end rifle and expensive target ammo?
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- Edmonton Alberta, Canada
yeah, when 60 years of practice and absolutely ideal shooting conditions with a lovingly maintained quality rifle will do?
damned impressive, regardless. With some familiarity he'd probably be putting 4 in one hole with a flier using a 17HMR.
damned impressive, regardless. With some familiarity he'd probably be putting 4 in one hole with a flier using a 17HMR.
yes your 17 is the best thing going. I am just going out to the shop with 10 nice old 22's
: Ross's, NACCO's a 20 year old NIB Browning BL 22, a Cooey special and my Anny. I will be flame cutting them up, as they are now inferior ,out dated lead chucking junk. So please give it up we get the idea.
: Ross's, NACCO's a 20 year old NIB Browning BL 22, a Cooey special and my Anny. I will be flame cutting them up, as they are now inferior ,out dated lead chucking junk. So please give it up we get the idea.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/895924-My-22-shoots-1-2-quot-groups-at-50-yards-meters-all-day!-Really-Prove-it!
Even though your .17 doesn't qualify, feel free to follow all of the rules regarding getting on that list and shoot the 5 groups. Since your .17 is so superior, feel free to stretch the distance out to 100, or farther since you claim it shoots dimes at any distance. The most important thing is.........DO NOT POST ANY MORE UNTIL YOU SHOOT A TARGET THAT PASSES!
Please note the number of shooters that can shoot their rifles and not their mouths.
Jeez Island guy that is some incredible shooting!!!!!
not a fan of 223 because its not rimfire, for these applications rimfire is just simpler.. at 24 cents a round, you're kinda glad the 17HMR rifles are all pretty much bolt action lol
but yeah, my 7.62x54R archangel mosin outshoots just about anything 308 or 30-06... intuitively good... after a lot of work to it.
theres always something better..
but sticking to rimfire....
i like shooting beer cans with 22LR, with a 110round drum mag.
I like to shoot the caps off chapstick farther away than most people can see even with an average scope...
with 17HMR
personal choice i suppose but the point remains... people who are good at 22LR are GOOD... and you need top level gear to make it really good.
for average people with little experience and no training... to be able to unbox a rifle, throw a cheap scope on, and perform just about at match level.... almost anyone off the street who tries it....
I find that amazing.
Like i said.. my $600 setup in 17HMR outperforms my $1800 setup in 22LR in the same hands... its just easier... nicer... if what youre trying to do is share holes between bullets
Not that its impossible to do it in 22...... just takes a lot more practice and skill and equipment.
Your 1800 22 LR is just a 200$ 10/22 with a bunch of accessories throw on it. Doesn't mean its the greatest.
