Beretta's new striker pistol

Looks like Beretta is playing catch up after not offering a viable replacement for the 92/ 96 for the law enforcement market. I doubt any agency that already switched to Glock or Smith and Wesson would come back for this hideous peice of polymer but time will tell.

Once again....This pistol was designed to be an entrant in the US Army MHS Program. That's the main purpose of the platform. If it wins that program I doubt Beretta would give 2 sh1ts if they sold another single pistol. This isn't a case of Beretta trying to play "catch up" to Glock or S&W, it's a case of Beretta trying to create a platform that meets the SOR for the MHS Project.
 
Once again....This pistol was designed to be an entrant in the US Army MHS Program. That's the main purpose of the platform. If it wins that program I doubt Beretta would give 2 sh1ts if they sold another single pistol. This isn't a case of Beretta trying to play "catch up" to Glock or S&W, it's a case of Beretta trying to create a platform that meets the SOR for the MHS Project.
Well I guess they better get the military business then if they don't give "2 sh1ts" for any other market.
 
Once again....This pistol was designed to be an entrant in the US Army MHS Program. That's the main purpose of the platform. If it wins that program I doubt Beretta would give 2 sh1ts if they sold another single pistol. This isn't a case of Beretta trying to play "catch up" to Glock or S&W, it's a case of Beretta trying to create a platform that meets the SOR for the MHS Project.

Beretta is way behind the 8 ball. The amount of law enforcement business they have lost because other major players have stepped up with viable contenders is devastating. Beretta already entered the M9a3 for US army trials and it was turned away. That's what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket.
 
Beretta is way behind the 8 ball. The amount of law enforcement business they have lost because other major players have stepped up with viable contenders is devastating. Beretta already entered the M9a3 for US army trials and it was turned away. That's what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket.

I think Beretta was arrogant and thought that because of the long relationship they already had that somehow they were going to change the US Army's mind about what they really wanted, rather than putting the time into making a pistol that satisfied the requirements of the project (until they were a late horse). I think the only one who is likely to benefit from this is going to be S&W...but we'll have to wait and see.
 
I think Beretta was arrogant and thought that because of the long relationship they already had that somehow they were going to change the US Army's mind about what they really wanted, rather than putting the time into making a pistol that satisfied the requirements of the project (until they were a late horse). I think the only one who is likely to benefit from this is going to be S&W...but we'll have to wait and see.

I agree, they were arrogant the whole time they rode the 92/96 platform and now the LE/MI market is moving right past them. I could see sig (p320) or S&w (teamed with general dynamics for their submission) coming out on top.
And I know it's been mentioned..... But that Beretta is ugly as hell, if army adopts, no need to fire a round, sure as hell that will send enemy running in disgust.
 
I think Beretta was arrogant and thought that because of the long relationship they already had that somehow they were going to change the US Army's mind about what they really wanted, rather than putting the time into making a pistol that satisfied the requirements of the project (until they were a late horse). I think the only one who is likely to benefit from this is going to be S&W...but we'll have to wait and see.

I dont think Beretta was so much arrogant to the military as the military in this case are being azzholes to Beretta.

My understanding is the Army at no point in time in the last decade came to Beretta and said "we have issues with your pistols, fix them". In fact they bought some more of them without complaint.

Then one day out of the blue last year, some army beurocrat decides we need to spend millions of dollars and replace these pistols with something else because "we the army has had multiple issues with them for years".

So a program is created. Criteria and standards are set. And solicitations are asked for. The 92 is completely eliminated from the running.

At this time Beretta redesigns the 92 to address as many as these problems that just appeared out of the blue after being told we are dumping your pistol. Really, what else could Beretta do after being blindsided like this?

As for the new APX it has been in development for 3 years so far. Im sure at this point in time Beretta thought it would be better to try and get the army to accept the new modified 92 and cancel the replacement program then submit the APX wich is still in development and having it go head to head with the other submissions and potentially lose the army contract.

I cant fault Beretta for doing anything wrong here or at all. They simply can't redign the 92 over the decades to make it better for their army customer without the armies aproval and blessings wich they never gave.

As the army never requested these modifications from Betetta then turn around and screw them by claiming the 92 is junk and it has multiple issues whether it does or not reeks of stupidity and shows you how well the army is managed. At least this how I understand how this fiasco went down.

As for Beretta losing market share of other agencies and forces side arms, that is wholely Beretta's fault. The trend has been for years to select striker fired, polymer framed pistols and move away from the heavy framed ones. Beretta is extremely late to the game on this one. Whether this part is arrogance of the market or Beretta simply having more important priorities, I don't know. But they did drop the ball on this one if they want to be a major player in the game now.
 
I dont think Beretta was so much arrogant to the military as the military in this case are being azzholes to Beretta.

Indeed. I don't know why, but I've been following the MHS thing closely. I don't know much about the US military runs procurement contracts, but it sure seems an awful lot like they already know who they want to give the business too, and the bidding is all just for show. My guess is that S&W is going to be the beneficiary, but I'm having a hard time finding out who is even in the race.

The fact is, at least from what you can read on the Inter'tubes (and when are they wrong??), you can hardly even tell what the parameters are. I mean, caliber is kind of a big deal in a handgun bake-off. They don't know what they want? And what does "modular" really mean? Just how interchangeable does it have to be? The only thing out there that really seems to be plug and play is the SIG 320. Hell, it even swaps with parts from their alloy pistols. If that level of modular is a requirement then I don't really see who else can play. (Well, Detonics Defense does advertise the same, and lots of "we've got great special sauce ergonomics" talk, but I don't see how they could be a serious contender as someone to fulfill even 10% of the army's contract. But they can always partner...)

So, Beretta doesn't seem dumb or behind the times to me at all. The M9A3 was offered by them as an ECO (Engineering Change Order) on their existing contract, which has like 200k replacement pistols already bought and paid for if I recall correctly. They offered it at a discount (from what I read), and it is an incremental change that addresses most of the "announced" shortcomings of the existing pistol. A quick search and you find many people saying the M9A3 *will* be the pistol going forward, and the MHS will just be scrapped as a waste of time.

In fact, it makes a huge amount of sense just to keep the M9A3 for 95% of the military and let the special ops, &tc. choose their own as they already do (and always will). The M9A3 is cheap, no need for retraining, holsters, armorers tools, &tc. It would save a huge amount of money.

If they are leaving 9mm, why not say so and let people work to get them solutions in the caliber they want? Beretta offered them .40cal with the M9A3, by the way. If they are dead set on .45, well they should just announce that. And if they really don't know what they want then the manufacturers are just jumping through hoops and wasting their time to win a contract that doesn't exist, or has already been quietly "won" by someone else anyway.
 
....let the special ops, &tc. choose their own as they already do (and always will).......

Not always so true in the US. I have deployed with USSF guys who were carrying M9's as their issued pistols. You can believe that neither they nor their CoC wanted those pieces of crap...but that's what they had. Hell even the Rangers that supported them had Glocks....lol

Now Navy SF? Those guys seem to get anything they want.
 
Not always so true in the US. I have deployed with USSF guys who were carrying M9's as their issued pistols. You can believe that neither they nor their CoC wanted those pieces of crap...but that's what they had. Hell even the Rangers that supported them had Glocks....lol

Now Navy SF? Those guys seem to get anything they want.

Don't mean to derail, but what's you experience been/heard with the M9 that makes you call it a piece of crap? Genuinely curious here.
 
lol @ Ebola. You sure do like to hear yourself talk. I enjoyed this one the most: "It may be King now as you claim, but it wont be for much longer.". You demand proof from others but I guess your crystal ball reigns supreme.

Take care.
 
Don't mean to derail, but what's you experience been/heard with the M9 that makes you call it a piece of crap? Genuinely curious here.

I only fired a few rounds out of them but a common complaint I heard from guys were issues with safeties (mostly due to age of the guns I suspect...just like our old BHPs). They also (like the CF green Army) have issues with mags.

99% hearsay from the grumbling of US dudes on the ground. That's all.
 
I've also had a bunch of polymer guns, at least half a dozen Glocks, few M&P's, FNP, XDm, Ruger SR9, CZ P07, HK USP, Steyr, Grand power.

Hope they'll be here soon and under $750
 
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