Bush Survival guns?
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Brutus
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In amongst my collection of them I have a 1990 made 4 shot Deerslayer Police Special that plopped a wild boar at 75 yards with a single Brenneke.
My 20 gauge Featherlight from 1971 has brought much small game to my table too.
Seems like we both admire these little beasts.......lol
Cheers!
- Location
- Kawartha Lakes
Ar7.....
Get a RICOL "14" Short Over and Under with Screw in Chokes from corwin arms (site sponsor here) then order a .22 LR insert for 12 gauge from the state, problem solved. You can have a 12 gauge and .22 LR in the same gun. Go to the range and learn how to shoot those .22 LR insert accurately, that would be my suggestion.
Usually, I pack two inserts when I'm going to the bush. .22 LR and .45 ACP.
Usually, I pack two inserts when I'm going to the bush. .22 LR and .45 ACP.
corwin arms sells a warrior 12 guage very inexpensive and decent after slight tweaks, actually has screw in chokes and a extended rifled slug choke is available, for 125 bucks tough to go wrong, it even folds in half and is super light, a couple different barrel lengths as well as gauges are available
http://www.corwin-arms.com/product/warrior-12-3inch-chamber-16-inch-single-barrel-screw-chokes-0
I bought that and a 410 insert and a 20 guage insert for it from trade ex, pack it in the boat, quad it even fits in my saddlebags on my bike
http://www.corwin-arms.com/product/warrior-12-3inch-chamber-16-inch-single-barrel-screw-chokes-0
I bought that and a 410 insert and a 20 guage insert for it from trade ex, pack it in the boat, quad it even fits in my saddlebags on my bike
lol, it looks like we typed almost identical posts at the exact same time on 2 different guns from the same place, I got me the same 22 and 45 inserts as well, however my 22 and 45 adapters wont fit in the warrior they are 7" and just wont go, they bind up, that ricol over under is sweet!! wish it was a little cheaper though
Oh ya, I forgot about the little fold up .410 Warrior I got from Corwin Arms. I'd probably carry that if I was going solo. Little story about that gun. They kindly sent me a couple of replacement sites when I bought it. The plastic one broke on it first time I took it out. So, in my wisdom, I was installing the nice brass bead on it when I got home, and I dropped it, it bounced off the counter and went right down the sink hole. I sent an email to Corwin and explained what I had done, right down to the sink hole, and asked if I could buy another brass bead off them. They replied right away and sent me three more, no charge, not even shipping! That is service! It was clearly my rubber fingers that lost the thing. I will definitely buy from them again.
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
We should keep a sound perspective on shell size sub-calibre inserts here.
This is my singular experience with 38 Special American Eagle 158 gr LRN to 12 gauge shell size inserts (yes some rifling) from an Ithaca Deerslayer at 17 yards from a bench.
BTW, at least two of these shots were taken at 10 yards, but performance was equally dismal and I forgot which of them are this pair of closer shots.
Not really inspiring IMO.
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My first thought when I saw the BRNO 30/06/12 gauge over under at the lgs was that it would be an awesome gun to hunt with from a canoe. Expensive though.
I think Alberta has a restriction against using a single shot against waterfowl though.
I think Alberta has a restriction against using a single shot against waterfowl though.
- Location
- Southern Vancouver Island
This covers it.^^^
I expect some, possibly most, of them float, but I have read a few reviews from owners saying they tested this and their AR7 sinks.
I like the versatility of a shotgun with different ammunition. (The ammunition is bulky but you don't have to carry a lot of it.) So I got a Mossberg 590 because it's pretty robust.
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I once had the Charter Arms AR-7. I was really picky about the ammo fed it. Sights were so-so.
Meh.........give me a 24-C, Garcia Bronco or M6 Scout any day! (Heavy emphasis on the compact Savage)
Meh.........give me a 24-C, Garcia Bronco or M6 Scout any day! (Heavy emphasis on the compact Savage)
I carried shotguns for years, as well as a few other rifles.
I'm pretty settled now on my Trapper 16" Mdl94 in 45 Colt, with 300gr XTP at 1600FPS for hunting and bears, and some light load cast bullets loaded with Trailboss for small game. Using cast and jacketed makes it easy to keep them separate.
I'm pretty settled now on my Trapper 16" Mdl94 in 45 Colt, with 300gr XTP at 1600FPS for hunting and bears, and some light load cast bullets loaded with Trailboss for small game. Using cast and jacketed makes it easy to keep them separate.
SilverBaller
CGN Regular
- Location
- Markham, Ontario
I usually keep a Maverick 88 in the truck and a SKS by the door at the cottage. Bears don't come around often, but they do come around.
The Norinco 1887 T2 model with a pistol grip is awesome for a backpacking gun. Mine cycles great and holds 7 rounds which I found surprising for it's size.
You can't beat a short barreled rifle though. I considered a Mosin M38 or M44 out of cost but haven't gotten around to buying my new bear gun for the upcoming season lol
The Norinco 1887 T2 model with a pistol grip is awesome for a backpacking gun. Mine cycles great and holds 7 rounds which I found surprising for it's size.
You can't beat a short barreled rifle though. I considered a Mosin M38 or M44 out of cost but haven't gotten around to buying my new bear gun for the upcoming season lol
Someone said they didn't think you could count on a 22 against a bear. I've often wondered about this.
In all my years of rural life, all of the bear stories I have heard, or read about and my own experience, I have never heard of a single case of a wounded black bear making any attempt, whatsoever, to attack, or to attempt to attack the shooter!
When a bear is hit with a bullet and not knocked down, it takes off in a great run, going from zero to about 30 km an hour on the first jump. And they always go in the direction they were pointed before being hit.
If this direction is anywhere near the direction of the shooter, the shooter will often claim he was being attacked. But the bear, with his poor eyesight, doesn't even see the shooter.
I once saw this with a grizzly in a video an outfitter was showing a group of people, to promote his guide area. The bear was about a hundred yards away, rooting around in the ground for something to eat, when the hunter hit him. The bear took off in his speed run in an absolute straight line across the flat terrain. The guide showing the video was shouting, "See, he's attacking, see that?" The hunter killed the bear before he got to them, but it was going in a straight line, which would have missed the people by 25 yards, had he not been shot again. There were quite a few snickers from the crowd of mostly hunters that were watching the video, at the guide shouting "it was a charge," as we could plainly see it was not a charge.
At a time when black bears were considered vermin in BC, with no legal protection whatsoever, a group of about eight or ten of us formed an archery club. One summer we killed eleven black bears. A semi recurve bow was the best any of us had, but we killed every bear our broadheads hit. Not one bear dropped on being hit, everyone took off in his rapid run and not one bear showed even the slightest intention of charging us.
I wouldn't want to wound a black bear to test my theory, but I would bet good stakes, that if a black bear was too close to you for comfort and you hit him with a 22 rimfire, the bear would run away and leave you completely safe.
In all my years of rural life, all of the bear stories I have heard, or read about and my own experience, I have never heard of a single case of a wounded black bear making any attempt, whatsoever, to attack, or to attempt to attack the shooter!
When a bear is hit with a bullet and not knocked down, it takes off in a great run, going from zero to about 30 km an hour on the first jump. And they always go in the direction they were pointed before being hit.
If this direction is anywhere near the direction of the shooter, the shooter will often claim he was being attacked. But the bear, with his poor eyesight, doesn't even see the shooter.
I once saw this with a grizzly in a video an outfitter was showing a group of people, to promote his guide area. The bear was about a hundred yards away, rooting around in the ground for something to eat, when the hunter hit him. The bear took off in his speed run in an absolute straight line across the flat terrain. The guide showing the video was shouting, "See, he's attacking, see that?" The hunter killed the bear before he got to them, but it was going in a straight line, which would have missed the people by 25 yards, had he not been shot again. There were quite a few snickers from the crowd of mostly hunters that were watching the video, at the guide shouting "it was a charge," as we could plainly see it was not a charge.
At a time when black bears were considered vermin in BC, with no legal protection whatsoever, a group of about eight or ten of us formed an archery club. One summer we killed eleven black bears. A semi recurve bow was the best any of us had, but we killed every bear our broadheads hit. Not one bear dropped on being hit, everyone took off in his rapid run and not one bear showed even the slightest intention of charging us.
I wouldn't want to wound a black bear to test my theory, but I would bet good stakes, that if a black bear was too close to you for comfort and you hit him with a 22 rimfire, the bear would run away and leave you completely safe.
Short barrel 870 with butt-stock shell holder. The bandoleer is a wall hanger, never take it with me anywhere, but it looks neat. The shell holder load out has settled on a couple of slugs, a couple of double-0, a bear banger (goes off at 50 yard stand off) and a flare. I figure if anything ever saves me if I get into trouble, it'll be the flare, after I fall and twist up my ankle, knee, or hip, and can't walk out of wherever I've gotten myself up to. Need to be cylinder bore to fire flares, or else they can get stuck.
If you're canoeing, no reason not to throw in a Papoose as well. Handy little rifle, more accurate than my 10/22, holds zero between removing and re-attaching the the barrel. Really quite fond of this little rifle, and they go for around $180.
If you're canoeing, no reason not to throw in a Papoose as well. Handy little rifle, more accurate than my 10/22, holds zero between removing and re-attaching the the barrel. Really quite fond of this little rifle, and they go for around $180.
We should keep a sound perspective on shell size sub-calibre inserts here.
This is my singular experience with 38 Special American Eagle 158 gr LRN to 12 gauge shell size inserts (yes some rifling) from an Ithaca Deerslayer at 17 yards from a bench.
BTW, at least two of these shots were taken at 10 yards, but performance was equally dismal and I forgot which of them are this pair of closer shots.
Not really inspiring IMO.
brutus, a good point to make, I have had similar experience with mine, they are the ex caliber 7" rifle set and some leave little to be desired, accuracy is not great with mine either, the one that seems to group best is the 9mm, decent out to 25 yds, the 357 mag and 44 mag in my set is terrible and keyhole like crazy, the shotgun calibres 410 and 20 guage pattern pretty well though
Short barrel 870 with butt-stock shell holder. The bandoleer is a wall hanger, never take it with me anywhere, but it looks neat. The shell holder load out has settled on a couple of slugs, a couple of double-0, a bear banger (goes off at 50 yard stand off) and a flare. I figure if anything ever saves me if I get into trouble, it'll be the flare, after I fall and twist up my ankle, knee, or hip, and can't walk out of wherever I've gotten myself up to. Need to be cylinder bore to fire flares, or else they can get stuck.
If you're canoeing, no reason not to throw in a Papoose as well. Handy little rifle, more accurate than my 10/22, holds zero between removing and re-attaching the the barrel. Really quite fond of this little rifle, and they go for around $180.
that little papoose is sweet, I use those same pro mag mags in my 795 great product
- Location
- Ol' North Shore
Savage 24c campers companion. 22lr over 20g.
Priceless
Priceless
