Would you buy the Robinson Arms XCR in 6.8mm or 7.62mm? Why?
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Buy both? I bought a 6.8 keymod, stainless bbl last fall to hunt deer with and if an exchange kit is ever available again I'll buy one in 7.62x39 for plinking with. Or do it the other way around. I didn't measure to confirm how tight my groupings were when I sighted it in but I honestly didn't take a lot of time with my shots to give it a fair go. It's more than accurate enough for the job I bought it to do. Great to carry around as well, I bought a Knight's keymod od sling mount and a bcm foregrip. Nice and balanced and comfortable. No failures in the 80-100 rounds I put through it either. I LOVE that weapon.
I have the adaptor for the ar stock as well, if I am doing a lot of shooting or competing I put my moe on it. For general use on my farm, the folder is to handy and for the few shots I take while carrying it I get over the thin stock. I think I am going to put my xlr stock on it for my accuracy tests...
I have an XCR-L (FAST Stock, non-keymod) I have a .223 1/9 Heavy barrel and a 6.8 SPC barrel. I have no interest in a 7.62x39 barrel as it is a fact the 6.8 SPC is a superior cartridge. Ammo is not cheap but I load my own and bought about 1,000 new Remington cases before things went haywire.
I would like to point out that there might be a viable alternative to the OP. XCR-L chambered in .300 BLK. This cartridge has similar ballistics to the Soviet round but will prove to be far more useful with the XCR-L.
7.62x39 is okay if you just want to plink with milsurp ammo all the time. Re-loadable brass is very hard to come by and you certainly won't find any at you average range...
.300 BLK aka .300 Whisper aka .300 AAC Blackout brass is available at almost every range. Well, sort of... It's easy to make .300 BLK cases from .223 Remington. There are many "How-To" videos on YouTube.
.300 BLK uses a .223 bolt.
.300 BLK uses .308 calibre bullets so choices are almost endless.
.300 BLK uses Stanag .223 magazines so choices are wide and varied (.50 Beowolf included)
.300 BLK ballistics are very close to 7.62x39
.300 BLK load data is widely available
.300 BLK factory ammo is also available.
If I could could buy an XCR-L all over again, I would. But this time it would be a .223 Remington with a .300 BLK Conversion kit
Wolverine Supplies employees have told me that Robinson .300 BLK kits will be "available in the second quarter". I have one on order and can hardly wait as I already have about 800 rounds in a variety of bullet types and weights loaded.
I would like to point out that there might be a viable alternative to the OP. XCR-L chambered in .300 BLK. This cartridge has similar ballistics to the Soviet round but will prove to be far more useful with the XCR-L.
7.62x39 is okay if you just want to plink with milsurp ammo all the time. Re-loadable brass is very hard to come by and you certainly won't find any at you average range...
.300 BLK aka .300 Whisper aka .300 AAC Blackout brass is available at almost every range. Well, sort of... It's easy to make .300 BLK cases from .223 Remington. There are many "How-To" videos on YouTube.
.300 BLK uses a .223 bolt.
.300 BLK uses .308 calibre bullets so choices are almost endless.
.300 BLK uses Stanag .223 magazines so choices are wide and varied (.50 Beowolf included)
.300 BLK ballistics are very close to 7.62x39
.300 BLK load data is widely available
.300 BLK factory ammo is also available.
If I could could buy an XCR-L all over again, I would. But this time it would be a .223 Remington with a .300 BLK Conversion kit
Wolverine Supplies employees have told me that Robinson .300 BLK kits will be "available in the second quarter". I have one on order and can hardly wait as I already have about 800 rounds in a variety of bullet types and weights loaded.
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7.62, you say? I bought a Micro in 7.62x39, and liked it so much I bought another Micro in 7.62x51. Great guns. Mine have both been very reliable. Can't speak to accuracy, as most of my shooting is unsupported, less than 100m. Only downside - there is some truth to the "loctite" reputation of the XCR!
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The XCR isn't a rifle that will show an appreciable difference in accuracy.
The best my rifle grouped was with 7.63x39 Fusion, 1.7" @ 100, backed up with 1.75". Both 5 round groups. Surplus will give you 3".
For hunting I use Fusion. By the numbers it'll deliver 800 ft-lbf at 250 yards. 110gr 6.8 Pro Hunter will take you to 270 yards. Both distances are beyond my limit, using an XCR on deer.
Hornady supports 7.62x39, as does Winchester.
For a ranch gun, I might go 6.8. For a shooter, not a chance. I simply couldn't afford it.
The best my rifle grouped was with 7.63x39 Fusion, 1.7" @ 100, backed up with 1.75". Both 5 round groups. Surplus will give you 3".
For hunting I use Fusion. By the numbers it'll deliver 800 ft-lbf at 250 yards. 110gr 6.8 Pro Hunter will take you to 270 yards. Both distances are beyond my limit, using an XCR on deer.
Hornady supports 7.62x39, as does Winchester.
For a ranch gun, I might go 6.8. For a shooter, not a chance. I simply couldn't afford it.
6.8 is destined to fade - one manufacturer supports it, no national army uses it as a standard cartridge, no one outside of the US and Canada has even heard of it. 7.62x39 is still the standard service rifle cartridge of dozens of countries, availability as surplus will continue because of this - some of the largest militaries on earth have been making this round for 60+ years. As far as commercial loadings go, it's popularity in Europe with hunters and the US with plinkers means it will be available on the commercial side for many years. The idea that surplus x39 will run out (at least in my lifetime) is totally bizzarre, as is the concept of it not being available commercially. Commercial makers of x39 available in Canada include S&B, Lapua and Prvi
I sell rifles/firearms if they have issues, the ones I keep are problem free. I take into account my own stupidity when looking at the issue but once that has been ruled out as a cause and the problem persists in an unfixable state it goes bye bye.
(I also sell firearms for other reasons) but am honest and up front if I am selling it because of problems ant take a hefty loss as a lesson learned.
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what does that help me with deciding to buy or not to buy the new keymod x39 with light barrel on the basis of reliability and accuracy or RA's claims for this new generation?Ok Brian, I will play...again. I have the model just prior to the keymod. Quad rail, heavy barrel in 5.56. I have almost 1.5 cases of Norc surplus through my rifle. It has NEVER had a FTF, FTE or any other failure of any kind. I mainly shoot offhand and have a blast. I do not have a range report for your perusal, but I can make pop cans and small water bottles dance at 115 yards all afternoon long. Don't believe me? Well, I will just have to find a way to live with your disbelief.
I am tempted to wait and see if the XCR undergoes another revision (problem fix) in the next couple of years before I buy one to make sure.
andrew3081
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So you are saying if there is no problem with your guns, then those same guns are all problem free for other people? For example, if your glock is problem free, that means all the other glocks is also problem free?
And yet you say you are not bias?
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no, I tell it like it is, I would say I have one and that I have had no issues with it, does that make you having an issue even with one of my guns impossible, no.
I'm not sure where you have seen me post that mine has been 100% as a way to discredit someone who has a problem with the same item as you are suggesting I have done?. I have had this happen to me though when I posted about issues I had with an older version of the xcr, The better part of a year I sent trying to work out the issues with the rifle was discredited by other xcr owners because my name was not on the reciept for the rifle. My experiece was also minimized by people stating the issues were only common to that generation which is clear it was not since the XCR is still being revised and the keymod generation being the latest for now. That is bias.
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^x#3 or is it #4 or #5, I've lost count...
Not a centre-fire semi-auto., but Ruger makes a damn reliable rifle in it's 10/22 semi.-auto. model rifle (I've owned five of them over the past 35 years and all worked flawlessly after thousands and thousands of rounds downrange, clean or dirty...).
Now regarding a 100% problem free centre-fire semi.-auto. rifle, I believe Colt Canada has stated the number of stoppages to be expected from their recently released Diemaco SA15.7 and SA20 rifles is zero.
(^ Must have something to do with being Canadian designed, made, assembled and tested eh.)
Cheers D
I would never buy one. And I sure as hell never owned one. Im left handed and the thing isn't ambidextrous. The charging handle is on the wrong side for me and not movable. Why waste my money on a rifle that I would never be comfortable with?
The XCR is a poor design considering that any other newer release like the XCR is ambidextrous.
If you are not comfortable with any rifle, then absolutely, don't buy it, but don't be ridiculous. The XCR is one of the best AMBI rifles.....in its class of rifles....out there. When I am shooting on the bench or free hand I barely touch the charging handle. Why? Because it has an AMBI bolt release. I haven't had a failure, so I have never needed it as a forward assist. If you want 100% ambi then get a Tavor....a rifle that other enthusiasts are not comfortable with because of its Bullpup design.
I will concede the barrell retention on an XCR could be better, but it has NOT affected my style of shooting and my love for the platform.
I only feel qualified to pass judgement on products I have owned or used thoroughly, but that is just me and this is the internet after-all.
andrew3081
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^x#3 or is it #4 or #5, I've lost count...
Not a centre-fire semi-auto., but Ruger makes a damn reliable rifle in it's 10/22 semi.-auto. model rifle (I've owned five of them over the past 35 years and all worked flawlessly after thousands and thousands of rounds downrange, clean or dirty...).
Now regarding a 100% problem free centre-fire semi.-auto. rifle, I believe Colt Canada has stated the number of stoppages to be expected from their recently released Diemaco SA15.7 and SA20 rifles is zero.
(^ Must have something to do with being Canadian designed, made, assembled and tested eh.)
Cheers D
A quick google for problems of Ruger 10/22 yield many people who had problems with their 10/22.
And we will see about Colt Canada's rifles. Like I said, no rifle is 100% problem free.
I highly doubt Colt Canada said there is 0 stoppages through their gun.
That is a very bold statement to make even for Colt Canada. How does Colt Canada know they have 0 stoppage in their rifles?
They bug and track their rifles?
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I already own a Tavor. A far superior designed and built rifle.
