if the law states you must have your license on you in order to produce it when asked, and the paper is part of the license, then you figure it out. I do find it comical that guys would take such a needless risk....but we are all keyboard ninjas after all.
Question about the PAL 'cut on the line' paper
- Thread starter okshooter
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Georgian Pistol
CGN Regular
- Location
- Georgian Bay
I've missed it somewhere, or just can't find it but what are 'Standard Conditions'? And what other conditions exist?
Shawn, have you seen this video?
https://youtu.be/RT9yGCdr7o8
Now I ask you, how do you think their day went? They were not breaking the law, but a misinformed LEO thought they were and that is all it took for their rifle and mags to be confiscated. The onus was on them to prove they weren't. I betcha they carry a little piece of paper that clearly outlines mag capacities now, don't you? If all it takes to avoid something similar, I will carry the little slip in my wallet beside my license. You do what you want, I could care less.
https://youtu.be/RT9yGCdr7o8
Now I ask you, how do you think their day went? They were not breaking the law, but a misinformed LEO thought they were and that is all it took for their rifle and mags to be confiscated. The onus was on them to prove they weren't. I betcha they carry a little piece of paper that clearly outlines mag capacities now, don't you? If all it takes to avoid something similar, I will carry the little slip in my wallet beside my license. You do what you want, I could care less.
Firearms act"
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-199/page-5.html#h-11
And they can attach any condition they feel they can defend in court:
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/f-11.6/page-14.html#docCont
I have and it doesn't change anything I have posted. Go head and quote where I said not to carry it or that it was a bad idea to carry it. All I have ever posted is for you to provide the law that says I have too. And you still have not done so.
Also use the quote button and change where it says quote to youtube and then put the stuff after the = in between to imbed vids.
Shawn
Dude, some of us work!
Get Gimil to quote you the law!
The paper is part of the license and it explicitly tells you to carry it with the card. It is like the old days when Ontario issued two separate pieces of ID for your drivers license. One was invalid without the other..... That is enough for me. As Forest Gump's Mamma once said, "stupid is as stupid does."
Lets say the police swing by your hunting campsite, they are friendly, you are friendly, they check your license, guns, ammo, whatever...
Its all good, everything is in order, right before they starts to leave, one of the cops turns and says "WAIT! Where is that piece of paper that says "keep this paper!" DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNN! Better call Sol!
Look, here is the bottom line, if the cop is so miserable, angry, bad, as to hassle you over this piece of paper that literally provides ZERO information then guess what? He was going to hassle you over you magazine limits, barrel lengths, storage cases, and every other little thing. Your day was already going to be spoiled with or without that pointless paper. We all know the firearms laws are written purposefully so there is basically always something they can hassle you for. If the cop is a reasonable nice guy, so are you (that is very important), and noting else was obviously wrong, then he isn't going to give a rats a$$ about a piece of paper that he probably doesn't even know about to begin with.
OP I understand you being curious about the paper... you will find there are many other laws and "things" surrounding firearms that dont make a whole lot of sense. I find following the law as best you can and being polite with "the law" is the best bet. If you lose the paper, don't worry about it. In a two or three years it will disintegrate in you wallet anyway. Horse officially beaten to death.
Its all good, everything is in order, right before they starts to leave, one of the cops turns and says "WAIT! Where is that piece of paper that says "keep this paper!" DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNN! Better call Sol!
Look, here is the bottom line, if the cop is so miserable, angry, bad, as to hassle you over this piece of paper that literally provides ZERO information then guess what? He was going to hassle you over you magazine limits, barrel lengths, storage cases, and every other little thing. Your day was already going to be spoiled with or without that pointless paper. We all know the firearms laws are written purposefully so there is basically always something they can hassle you for. If the cop is a reasonable nice guy, so are you (that is very important), and noting else was obviously wrong, then he isn't going to give a rats a$$ about a piece of paper that he probably doesn't even know about to begin with.
OP I understand you being curious about the paper... you will find there are many other laws and "things" surrounding firearms that dont make a whole lot of sense. I find following the law as best you can and being polite with "the law" is the best bet. If you lose the paper, don't worry about it. In a two or three years it will disintegrate in you wallet anyway. Horse officially beaten to death.
Dude, some of us work!
Get Gimil to quote you the law!
The paper is part of the license and it explicitly tells you to carry it with the card. It is like the old days when Ontario issued two separate pieces of ID for your drivers license. One was invalid without the other..... That is enough for me. As Forest Gump's Mamma once said, "stupid is as stupid does."
LOL sure
Shawn
Think about what you are saying... The paper is there to say that you have NO conditions. If you had conditions they would be written there. If the paper was missing how would any vendor know if you had any special conditions? They wouldn't, and the wouldn't sell you a firearm just in case. If I saw it was missing I would assume it was because you had conditions that you didn't want me to know about.
Georgian Pistol
CGN Regular
- Location
- Georgian Bay
Why can't it be something simple like a driver's licence? I have to wear glasses to drive so that restriction is printed on my licence. There is lots of space on the back of a PAL, why not print it there.
I have purchsed many firearms. Never had a vendor once ask, request, demand, nor inquire about an extra piece of paper. If I throw my friends into the list, then the number of firearms purchases have been in the hundreds. Not one vendor has ever asked or indicated their curiousity for that piece of paper during any of those transactions. I've had my PAL examined by police officers and peace officers, not one wondered about the piece of paper. When I have phoned the CFO, they have never asked "what does that piece of paper say."
Considering a piece of paper could easily be forged by even a 7 year-old in about 5 minutes, I would never put any weight to anything it did or did not contain. That's why anyone who cares runs your license number through the CFO. They know if there are any conditions, and things won't get much more official than that.
In short, do whatever makes you happy, but I wouldn't lose any sleep over a blank piece of paper.
Awesome first post. I have bought 13 firearms without producing that paper. Sigh... I think I'm just leaving this thread. Have fun guys.
People are forgetting that those of us who carry the paper could give two ####s whether others do or do not carry it. Your stupidity or ignorance is not our concern. As gun owners we are obligated to follow many moronic regulations. Ignore one and we may lose our property...even a short term loss. This is fact. I eagerly await the post on CGN from the dumb ass who #####es about the conditions paper. Personally, I tend to follow the law until I can repeal it....but based on the whiner to voter turnout, most on CGN are full of #### when the rubber hits the road.
I say this with "Peace And Love, Peace and Love."
I say this with "Peace And Love, Peace and Love."
It's my 3rd or 4th post now. I have no idea why it still says 1 by my name.
I just noticed that my licence says "Standard conditions are attached to this licence". I wonder if that is the issue. If you have conditions the would it say something there like "refer to attached paper"? Since most will have the standard conditions statement then one would assume it is just the address change thing.
And yet you are unable to produce the law or regulation that states you require to be in possession of that piece of paper. Your so good your following laws that you don't even know if they exist or not lol
Shawn
