Lead...on the way out?

yorgi said:
Hunting buddy is a veterinarian, he started using lead-free bullets a few years ago after seeing a number of x-Rays of entry/exit wounds on deer. He said that lead splatter on some reached a foot away from the entry hole.
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I believe that "study" has been discredited.
 
3macs1 said:
Rembolt. Help me here. Has not Nova Scotia already closed a shooting club within a few months after they banned lead to be used and the boys tossed in the towel and stopped shooting there
Or maybe I am dreaming this from the effects of lead
Why am I thinking Greenwood??
Cheers
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Yes 3macs1 you are correct the greenwood trap and skeet club closed up shortly after lead was banned on the property . they even tried a couple shoots where they supplied steel target loads .but not many people were interested in pushing steel down the barrel of there expensive targets guns .
 
rembolt said:
Yes 3macs1 you are correct the greenwood trap and skeet club closed up shortly after lead was banned on the property . they even tried a couple shoots where they supplied steel target loads .but not many people were interested in pushing steel down the barrel of there expensive targets guns .
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Thanks Rembolt. One of the main reasons I know what will happen down the road if we open the door and accept lead bullets for hunting at this time. Before we know it it will be all lead banned and clubs will be closing all over the country. These are far from the one box a year shooters also we will be losing. I remember years 15,000 rounds was a norm never less than 5000

I for one will never shoot steel out of my target guns, Off to the US they will go like my prohibs did many years ago. Plus I could not afford to reload it anyway and shoot any volume
Just shocks me why some think we are ignorant about banning lead . NOT unfortunately we can see what it would do to gun ownership in canada and the shooting sports whatever type we participate in
It was shoved down our throats with the waterfowl ban before they had a plan or even replacement ammo that worked and we have never recovered
If lead is to be banned do it right

Have a plan to phase it out over a number of years with the focus on hunting only. Allow those with stock to use up what they have or provide a buy back program
Make sure affordable alternatives are tested and available that can be used in all firearms that currently use lead. Make sure components are available for reloading which they are not now for many
Who cares about anti's they are not going to have the impact ever that this would at this stage.
Thank God the NRA has the same fear and fighting it tooth and nail or we would all be screwed long ago
Cheers
 
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I side with BigUglyMan, 3Macs1, 9.3 Mauser and a few others.
The popular opinion I think myself, is based on junk science with hidden agenda.
Ban all lead in rifle bullets and you will once again chop down our numbers. Just like the ban on lead shot for migratory in the late 1990s.

The antis will truly destroy many of our shooting sports (affordable traditional muzzle loading, affordable pistol bullets, affordable rimfire) with more environmental legislation.
This is as important an issue, as the long dead LGR.

Anyone who thinks differently, just does not care about the other recreational shooting sports IMO.
 
Brutus said:
I side with BigUglyMan, 3Macs1, 9.3 Mauser and a few others.
The popular opinion I think myself, is based on junk science with hidden agenda.
Ban all lead in rifle bullets and you will once again chop down our numbers. Just like the ban on lead shot for migratory in the late 1990s.

The antis will truly destroy many of our shooting sports (affordable traditional muzzle loading, affordable pistol bullets, affordable rimfire) with more environmental legislation.
This is as important an issue, as the long dead LGR.

Anyone who thinks differently, just does not care about the other recreational shooting sports IMO.
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Right to the point!
Same with anti predator control, those people are just trying to find any way to chip away our numbers and opportunities.
 
Greenwood gun club is still open. Has a few members, but a pallet of targets will last a long time.... Non tox only. I shot a lot of targets there in the last 20 years, but not one since the new rules. Cd
 
antiqueguy said:
so you think its a good idea to ban lead cutting out 95% of hunters from hunting leaving only the few that use "non toxic" and they will soon be stopped from hunting by the anti hunters lead has been used in firearms for over 600 years and for a very good reason it is soft easily formed and its everywhere. only a handful of my guns see jacketed ammo regularly most of my guns see cast and some of them can't use anything but cast. i simply will never use lead free ammo because its hard on guns i will not even use surplus ammo because of the hard jackets. maybe you should stop hunting if you feel this way
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95% of hunters cannot afford an extra few bucks per 20 box of rifle ammo? Seriously? Maybe you can barely afford hunting, but the majority of hunters could easily afford the extra cost of using non toxic. Don't worry, the sky won't fall if there is an outright ban on lead.

Brutus said:
I side with BigUglyMan, 3Macs1, 9.3 Mauser and a few others.
The popular opinion I think myself, is based on junk science with hidden agenda.
Ban all lead in rifle bullets and you will once again chop down our numbers. Just like the ban on lead shot for migratory in the late 1990s.

The antis will truly destroy many of our shooting sports (affordable traditional muzzle loading, affordable pistol bullets, affordable rimfire) with more environmental legislation.
This is as important an issue, as the long dead LGR.

Anyone who thinks differently, just does not care about the other recreational shooting sports IMO.
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If you would have taken the time to research the facts before forming your opinion that the lead shot ban for waterfowl chopped down hunter numbers you would have seen that hunter numbers in Canada have been on a steady decline since the late 70's and more of an uneven decline in the US since around the same time. After looking at the charts you'll see that the lead ban didn't really lower numbers much at all, unless hunters found out about the future ban on lead for waterfowl over 10 years before it happened back in 1978-1980?

https://ec.gc.ca/nature/default.asp?Lang=En&n=3790F069-1
https://www.fws.gov/duckstamps/federal/sales/images/USSales34-03.gif

Judging by some of the opinions shared in this thread I can't help but think some of you still think smoking is healthy, people who wear seat belts are sissies, and asbestos is harmless.
 
Judging by some of the opinions shared in this thread I can't help but think some of you still think smoking is healthy, people who wear seat belts are sissies, and asbestos is harmless.[/QUOTE]


Judging by some opinions I have seen the future is not bright for gun owners in canada and it is not anti's we have to worry about it is our own
Many cannot see the forest for the trees
But then again what can One expect from another one box a year shooter that probally is under the average 6 gun ownership
Yes sir lets ban lead bullets and save the planet
The NRA is needed up this way big time and quick
Funny how us old yanks get it and those that have lived this BS for years and years and not googled it also do
Sad but there could be a win/win for all if a proper transition plan and affordable alternatives were developed. Unfortunately we are not there in 2015



Buy hey why worry


Oh yes I forgot ( sorry I am not as quick as I used to be)

I remember many years back being told to calm down and as you say
Don't worry, the sky won't fall
That was when
The categories of 'firearm,' 'restricted weapon' and 'prohibited weapon' were created for the first time. But just to end the confusion over specific types of weapons nothing else

I ask you today. How did that little change work out for you and gun owners
Enough said
 
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I remember years ago when i worked as a logger we had a newcomer join us,I believe he was from Amsterdam,As hunting season was approaching we were all gearing up and discussing the upcoming season.The guy was amazed that common everyday people could hunt in Canada,When i asked him why, he said that only doctors and lawyers and the like could afford to hunt where he was from,At this point i was pretty damn proud of being Canadian,Since that time i have seen the start of the same mindset of the country that he was leaving creeping into Canada.More fees for courses,licensing,ammunition, people have started leasing private land to hunt on,I believe that it's important to insure the poorest people in our Country can use the wild game to feed their families and they should not be priced out of opportunity to do so. This lead ammo ban is just one more excuse to allow only the elite to enjoy the hunting sports.
 
canadian hunter312 said:
95% of hunters cannot afford an extra few bucks per 20 box of rifle ammo? Seriously? Maybe you can barely afford hunting, but the majority of hunters could easily afford the extra cost of using non toxic. Don't worry, the sky won't fall if there is an outright ban on lead.




If you would have taken the time to research the facts before forming your opinion that the lead shot ban for waterfowl chopped down hunter numbers you would have seen that hunter numbers in Canada have been on a steady decline since the late 70's and more of an uneven decline in the US since around the same time. After looking at the charts you'll see that the lead ban didn't really lower numbers much at all, unless hunters found out about the future ban on lead for waterfowl over 10 years before it happened back in 1978-1980?

https://ec.gc.ca/nature/default.asp?Lang=En&n=3790F069-1
https://www.fws.gov/duckstamps/federal/sales/images/USSales34-03.gif


Judging by some of the opinions shared in this thread I can't help but think some of you still think smoking is healthy, people who wear seat belts are sissies, and asbestos is harmless.
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Post lead-shot ban picture. Solid proof that migratory bird hunter numbers are way way down.

Look at this picture and tell us the sky did not fall on arctic nesting grounds CanadianHunter312 (You don't own a rimfire or centrefire pistol/trap-skeet shotgun/muzzle loader)
 
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Interesting
Yep Traditional lead ammunition makes up 5% of all domestic lead curently used state side but it has to be eliminated FIRST to save the enviroment, etc etc. Humm must be my ignorance
Maybe some should take the time to research the facts before forming their opinions or maybe they are indeed a form of anti hanging out in the shadows here with us

http://nssf.org/factsheets/PDF/TraditionalAmmo.pdf


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Keep a watch on the new AB bill 395 for california and see what takes place
AB 395 will keep the ban in place for California Condor ranges, but lifts it for the entire rest of the state. -
It is not over yet even there
 
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canadian hunter312 said:
95% of hunters cannot afford an extra few bucks per 20 box of rifle ammo? Seriously? Maybe you can barely afford hunting, but the majority of hunters could easily afford the extra cost of using non toxic. Don't worry, the sky won't fall if there is an outright ban on lead.
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no I can't afford non toxic loads im never paying the stupid amount for ammo id also need new rifles that I don't want because most of mine are antique and most have not jacketed bullets since I owned them I cast and reload for just about every rifle I own. im not your weekend hunter I go through countless bricks of .22lr and flats of shot shells every year hunting pest birds I also shoot a lot of coyotes with home cast buckshot or .22lr
 
antiqueguy said:
no I can't afford non toxic loads im never paying the stupid amount for ammo id also need new rifles that I don't want because most of mine are antique and most have not jacketed bullets since I owned them I cast and reload for just about every rifle I own. im not your weekend hunter I go through countless bricks of .22lr and flats of shot shells every year hunting pest birds I also shoot a lot of coyotes with home cast buckshot or .22lr
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You are wasting your time my friend. My dad who was a smith and ran a gun shop would call them nickel and dime shooters who's few dollars spent did little to keep shops and the shooting sports alive
They don't care about how a lead ban effects others with vintage or other types of firearms since they have peanuts invested in the sports by comparison

They will switch their few boxes a year , pay a bit more and all will be good so they think. Screw the rest of us and the impact it will have in the big picture
Me on the other hand like many other guys as just one small example with approx 127 bags of factory lead shot alone in my stash, plus what rounds are reloaded, the factory lead bullets , plus all I have cast myself etc have a lot to lose. That doesn't even look at my vintage guns thirty four 28ga alone which are useless without lead not to mention the rest of my collection. Thus I am all in and will keep fighting and have been for 40 years

When affordable alternatives are available for all shooters with a reasonable transition plan in place I will gladly change over. But we are far from that today
Cheers
 
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ALMAR said:
Another fake environmental problem with an agenda.
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This, the science of environmentalism is just more social engineering, many scavengers are getting lead from the non shooting environment as well; ie old lead mines and smelters litter the environment of many studied scavenger species. These mines are inhabited by small rodents who make up the majority of the fresh meat for the studied species. There are peer reviewed opposing reports. I also own older firearms and 100 pounds of wheel weights and 50 pounds of soft lead and intend to shoot lead til I die.
 
Northman999 said:
Yup.

I'm confident bullet makers selling a buck a piece monometal bullets are financially supporting the idea of lead bans as well.
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Timely subject. I just returned from a brief road trip to Edmonton. At the gas station here in town I was topping up gas, thanks to our lovely new tax on gas. Viewing the gun magazines on the magazine rack, I think the most recent Handloader magazine had an article on steel shot loads for UPLAND game!! I bet you I turned 15 shades of red when I read that on it's front cover!!!

Even the gun rags are not above pushing this sorry agenda.
 
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