Remington pump gun rebarrel to 9.3X62.

SuperCub said:
I'm not sure a 9.3 is as FUDD as a 30/06. Euro FUDD maybe.


Kinda thought this thread would see more action than this. :(
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Boomer said:
Well you did kinda threw cold water on it. Frankly I thought you'd be all over this one. Think about, a cartridge with the same general; dimensions as a .35 Whelen, but with greater powder capacity, and a wider selection of bullet weights that are intended for big game, and chambered in a FUDD machine gun. What's not to like?
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I could be wrong but wouldn't 8x57 or 7x57 be more Euro Fudd than 9.3x62?

As far as the 760 or 7600 series in 9.3x62 I believe there is a smith in Pennsylvania that has done and offer this conversion, so it can be done... lets see a Canadian smith get on this. I am surprised some of the members who enjoy the Australian buffalo culls aren't already after this, imagine combining one with a 20 round mag or 2 that feed well, seems like a dandy weapon for that situation.
 
Both the 8X57 and the 9.3X62 came to light in 1905, while the 7X57 is 15 years their senior. Both of the X57s were designed as military cartridges, but all saw military service, if not officially. Of the 3, I would say the 8X57 is the least popular and the least suitable for sport hunting due to a lack of quality game bullets, at least in the context of North America. I'd say that while the 7X57 is the best known, all 3 are equally FUDDish.

Hmmm, a 9.3X62 760, with a 20 round magazine, on a buffalo cull is intriguing.
 
I think the recoil would be vicious in that light platform. You would probably end up cracking the stock or your cheek bone and shoulder.
 
Slooshark1 said:
I think the recoil would be vicious in that light platform. You would probably end up cracking the stock or your cheek bone and shoulder.
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I doubt it. The tang dimensions where the stock and the receiver join are fairly generous, and provided there is even bedding across the tang, so one side of the stock isn't taking all of the recoil, and providing the mounting bolt is tight, the stock won't fail. I wouldn't want to shoot one without a good recoil pad, but that's not tough to arrange, and these rifles are factory chambered in .35 Whelen, which produces only slightly less recoil. As for the cheek getting hammered by recoil, that seems to depend how hard you have to force your cheek down on the comb in order to see the sights, I could see the high comb Monte Carlo style stocks being a problem. But shooting a 760/7600 in 9.3X62 would not be nearly as punishing as shooting a light weight 12 ga with slugs.
 
Boomer said:
Both the 8X57 and the 9.3X62 came to light in 1905, while the 7X57 is 15 years their senior.
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The 8x57 first saw light in 1888, not 1905. It was one of the very first smokeless powder cartridges, and I believe the first rimless cartridge. The bullet weight of the military cartridge was reduced from 227 grs to 154 grs., and the bullet diameter increased from .318" to .323" in 1905. The multiple bullet diameters and the confusion it's caused is one of the reasons for it's lack of popularity this side of the pond.
 
Boomer said:
Both the 8X57 and the 9.3X62 came to light in 1905, while the 7X57 is 15 years their senior. Both of the X57s were designed as military cartridges, but all saw military service, if not officially. Of the 3, I would say the 8X57 is the least popular and the least suitable for sport hunting due to a lack of quality game bullets, at least in the context of North America. I'd say that while the 7X57 is the best known, all 3 are equally FUDDish.

Hmmm, a 9.3X62 760, with a 20 round magazine, on a buffalo cull is intriguing.
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Im not sure if you keep up to date with bullets but theres quite abit of .323 8mm bullets on the market now, ill list them;

Speer: 150gr Hotcore SP, 170gr hot core semi-spitzer, 200gr HC sp
Serria: 150 GK,175 GK,200 HP,220 gameking,
Hornady: 125gr,150interlock,170 interlock & sst,180 gmx,195 interlock,196 match
Nosler: 180 ballistic tip & e-tip,200 accubond & Partition
Barnes: 160 ttsx, 180 tsx, 200 tsx
Privi: 175gr, 198gr
Woodleigh: 196gr,200gr,220gr,250
Swift Aframe: 200,220


Just that is 29 different bullets that are available in North America and most can be purchased at tradex. Don't forget also about Norma and Lapua.

Of coarse there are more 7mm, 30 cal bullets but the 8mm is doing pretty good now.

So today the 8mm is getting more offerings which is great for 8mm shooters like me, I can match my 8x57 to 30-06 levels.
 
And don't forget, Danny, there are 178 gr, 198 gr, and 220 gr Matrix bonded made right here in Canada.

This 9.3X62 pump gun project is coming along, slowly. Have an excellent barrel that I am donating, but everything else is kind of trudging along.

Ted
 
9.3mauser said:
The 8x57 first saw light in 1888, not 1905. It was one of the very first smokeless powder cartridges, and I believe the first rimless cartridge. The bullet weight of the military cartridge was reduced from 227 grs to 154 grs., and the bullet diameter increased from .318" to .323" in 1905. The multiple bullet diameters and the confusion it's caused is one of the reasons for it's lack of popularity this side of the pond.
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Yes but the cartridge we that we know today was the cartridge that debuted in 1905, similarly, there isn't much .30/03 ammo around these days.
 
dgradinaru said:
Im not sure if you keep up to date with bullets but theres quite abit of .323 8mm bullets on the market now, ill list them;

Speer: 150gr Hotcore SP, 170gr hot core semi-spitzer, 200gr HC sp
Serria: 150 GK,175 GK,200 HP,220 gameking,
Hornady: 125gr,150interlock,170 interlock & sst,180 gmx,195 interlock,196 match
Nosler: 180 ballistic tip & e-tip,200 accubond & Partition
Barnes: 160 ttsx, 180 tsx, 200 tsx
Privi: 175gr, 198gr
Woodleigh: 196gr,200gr,220gr,250
Swift Aframe: 200,220


Just that is 29 different bullets that are available in North America and most can be purchased at tradex. Don't forget also about Norma and Lapua.

Of coarse there are more 7mm, 30 cal bullets but the 8mm is doing pretty good now.

So today the 8mm is getting more offerings which is great for 8mm shooters like me, I can match my 8x57 to 30-06 levels.
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I don't keep up to date with 8mm bullets, because I don't use em. I don't use em, because they don't do a thing that the same weight of bullet in .308 doesn't do better. An 8X57 can no more match the ballistics of a .30/06 than a .308 can, and if you match the SD of the bullets rather than bullet weight, it looks even worse for the 8mm; it would have to drive a 197 gr bullet at 2800, which I'm pretty sure ain't gonna happen.
 
Boomer said:
Well you did kinda threw cold water on it.
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Initially I was shocked that Ted was even referencing the 760 in the same sentence as the 9.3. :)

Boomer said:
Frankly I thought you'd be all over this one. Think about, a cartridge with the same general; dimensions as a .35 Whelen, but with greater powder capacity, and a wider selection of bullet weights that are intended for big game, and chambered in a FUDD machine gun. What's not to like?
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I think it's a great idea and would be all over it but for all the 35cal stuff I have on the heap. One of those with a 20" bbl topped with a 1.5x5 would be skookum for moose and scary critters in the night.
 
I have driven the 195gr to 2725 before, and the 220gr serria @ 2525 which will out run and hit harder that any 220gr out of a 30-06. Bullet coefficient is .524, sectional density is 301.

And Ted, I was thinking to try some of Matrix bullets out of both my 8MM and 9.3MM soon.
 
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dgradinaru said:
I have driven the 195gr to 2725 before, and the 220gr serria @ 2525 which will out run and hit harder that any 220gr out of a 30-06. Bullet coefficient is .524, sectional density is 301.

And Ted, I was thinking to try some of Matrix bullets out of both my 8MM and 9.3MM soon.
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Your 8X57 is still 100 fps behind the .30/06, which is about what one should expect given the difference in powder capacity. It interesting that you think that the 8mm will outrun the '06 by firing a 220 at a similar velocity to that which the '06 spits out 240s. According the Sierra, a .308/220 MK's SD is .331 and the G-1 is .629, the more relevant G-7 is .309. Still the 8X57 is no BB gun, and its doubtful that either the game or the hunter could make much of an argument for one over the other . . . I just prefer .308 or .338 bores to .323s.
 
Boomer said:
Your 8X57 is still 100 fps behind the .30/06, which is about what one should expect given the difference in powder capacity. It interesting that you think that the 8mm will outrun the '06 by firing a 220 at a similar velocity to that which the '06 spits out 240s. According the Sierra, a .308/220 MK's SD is .331 and the G-1 is .629, the more relevant G-7 is .309. Still the 8X57 is no BB gun, and its doubtful that either the game or the hunter could make much of an argument for one over the other . . . I just prefer .308 or .338 bores to .323s.
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Well my bad, did not know that serria made a 220gr for the 30-06, and only thought the 220 partion and horadny 220 was around and compared to that.

Edit, thats a match bullet, which is not suitable for hunting. Anyways, both the 8x57JS and 30-06 are great cartridges, but to everyone his own opinion and like.
 
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buckbrush said:
I did one a few years ago. The nice thing now is a company is selling the bolt extensions separately, making a switch barrel very easy. Mine needed a little magazine tweaking, at least one mag did. The chap I sold it to lives in/ around Bella Coola as I recall.
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Buckbrush,

Don't know how I missed this before, but better late than never, I guess. Did you rebarrel or have it rebored?

Do you have a contact number for the fellow who has it? I am wondering if he is using factory ammo.

Thanks,
Ted
 
Very interested in this. Would love to rebarrel a .308 or 30-06 in a 35 cal. Curious about the costs though.
 
conor_90 said:
Very interested in this. Would love to rebarrel a .308 or 30-06 in a 35 cal. Curious about the costs though.
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Try to find a decent beater in 35Rem and have it rechambered to 358Winchester. I've done it and it's easy. Pop in a 308 mag and you're done.
 
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