Buying a RESTRICTED firearm

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Okay, I've been doing some reading and seem to be getting conflicting answers.

I bought a pistol from a member here. I live in Ontatio and I am not a currect member at any range and this is not my first pistol although this is my only one after selling my others. Should I expect any resistance during the transfer process?
 
I believe you are going to need to show you have a membership in a gun club or show you are a collector.

As far as I know there is no specific law that states you need to have a club membership, but for some reason they want that.
 
NorthernPF said:
Okay, I've been doing some reading and seem to be getting conflicting answers.

I bought a pistol from a member here. I live in Ontatio and I am not a currect member at any range and this is not my first pistol although this is my only one after selling my others. Should I expect any resistance during the transfer process?
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I am in Newfoundland but i think it should be the same. You should be able to get it registered in your name no problem but in order to have a active ATT you have to be a member of a gun club for target practice reasons which would make your ATT valid to bring it to any range in the province. The only other way to have a ATT that i know of is to have a collectors licence.

Feel free to correct me if anybody see's anything wrong with what i wrote, like i said it may be different in ontario.
 
CFO's will enquire if you are a target shooter or a collector. If you answer target shooter they will want to know what club you belong to. I've always been a member at a club so I tell them and the transfer goes smoothly. I'm not sure what happens if you say collector.
 
Nobody is a member of a range. Club membership is required in Ontario by CPFO policy, if you did not put collecting as your reason.
If you have sold all your restricted firearms is your RPAL still valid?
 
trebor2880 said:
Until renewal. Then they may downsize you to a PAL.
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What are you guys talking about?!? Has Ontario gone that far off the rails?

Your RPAL allows you to purchase and possess restricted firearms, an ATT allows you to transport is from one place to another as detailed on the document. Just because you do not own any restricted firearms, it does not allow the CFO to arbitrarily change your RPAL to a PAL.
 
I've heard both sides from people I respected so Im not sure which answer is correct. Realistically speaking you are probably going to join a club and have just bought the gun because it's what you wanted, found it on EE and purchased before someone else bought it. Understandable. I've bought and sold on EE, ,have never been asked about club membership during transfer process, although I do have an LTATT. I would proceed with transfer, if you are blocked from transfer then EMT the money back and join a club. You will never know till you call 1 800 731 4000. Cheers
 
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I bought a pistol before I joined a club and listed target practice as the reason for the purchase and no problems, received the registration papers a few weeks later no problem, but to get your ATT that has to submitted through your club, so in the mean time the gun just sits at home.
 
gdrew said:
So if I have a class 5/6 (car/motorcycle) drivers licence and I no longer own a motorcycle do they downgrade my DL to class 5 only?

I don't understand. I took PAL and RPAL training...what the hell does that have to do with what I own?
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Exactly, if you don't own a restricted anymore, why do you need restricted status? CFO logic, not mine!
 
I bought my first pistol in ontario 2 years ago (new through a web retailer), just put on my transfer request which club I was planning to join and had no problems. the cfo here will limit how many restricteds you can purchase without actually joining, last I heard it was 3. if you never join they will threaten to pull your rpal status at renewal time as you haven't fulfilled your intention to be a target shooter.
 
NorthernPF said:
Okay, I've been doing some reading and seem to be getting conflicting answers.

I bought a pistol from a member here. I live in Ontatio and I am not a currect member at any range and this is not my first pistol although this is my only one after selling my others. Should I expect any resistance during the transfer process?
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There are two aspects here - a) laws and regulations and b) CFO interpretation of former. With RPAL you have the privilege to purchase restricted firearms - as many as you want, and no club membership is required. However here comes to play b). CFO reads the law and it says there are two reasons for you to own restricted - collecting or shooting. So they ask you "what is the purpose". Not much choice you have. Dont say "collecting" - it's a dead end. So you say "target shooting". Then they ask you "and what is your gun club". Well, tell them your club, don't tell you're not a member. After 8-12 restricted you'll get a call and they will ask you how come they don't have your membership info from the club. ANd they will put you on hold - no new purchases of restricted. Against the law? Sure. But good luck fighting it. But I would recommend to start looking for club right now - it's not easy with most of them to join and you will want to shoot your restricted eventually, right?
 
'Well, tell them your club, don't tell you're not a member" may not fly with CFO. Reason was that two years ago, I was buying a restricted, the CFO informed me that they could not complete the transfer as my membership had expired 6 months prior according to their record and wondering if I had renewed my membership since then. Told them I had renew my membership 6 months before it has expired. They would like have some form of proof, so I faxed them my membership receipt and an hour later, I have STATT via email.

You will hear some horror stories, you will hear some ok stories, you will hears some good stories....basically, pick your poison and sides...
 
NorthernPF said:
Okay, I've been doing some reading and seem to be getting conflicting answers.

I bought a pistol from a member here. I live in Ontatio and I am not a currect member at any range and this is not my first pistol although this is my only one after selling my others. Should I expect any resistance during the transfer process?
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Might have changed but, at least in Ontario, there is no requirement to belong to a club/range for ownership transfer.

See decision in R. v. McBain.

W. A. Jenkins J. of the Ontario Superior Court of Justice states:

"...I find that s.28(b)(I) is disjunctive and permits the Chief Firearm's Officer to issue transfer approval without the applicant being a member of an authorized shooting club."
 
My close friend was put on hold for any transfer less than a year ago by ON CFO because there was no club membership, he had about ten or so restricted by that time. So it looks ON CFO is above the law.
 
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