Developing a Good Pistol Load

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Beginner rifle handloaders seem to try to focus on max possible velocity. Once that novelty wears off, they experiment with bullets, OAL, powders and powder charges to find the load that gets the best groups.

I don’t see the same load development focus for handgunners. I suspect part of the reason is that most cannot shoot well enough to see a big difference in loads. But the same mixture of variables for handgun ammo (powder, bullet, etc.) can be used to develop more accurate ammo.

When I have an OAL that feeds and chambers properly, I load a test of 10 rounds each, in 0.3 gr powder increments, starting very low (sometimes too mild to cycle the action) all the way to max in the book. I keep log books for each caliber and have a page for each gun. This prevents me from repeating a test unnecessarily, and gives me lots of data to extrapolate to new guns and situations. Here is a 9mm pistol log page, and you can see a test I ran using 2.6 to 3.8 gr of Titegroup and the DRG 135gr lead bullet. I ran the same test twice. This pistol clearly shot much better with a mild load. If I had never run the test, I would have never known how accurate this pistol could be.
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I made a bucket of each load and then ran the same test in 20 different pistols. I have run similar tests in other calibers. It would be nice to have a single load that worked well in all guns (have not found one yet) but by listing all the loads on a sheet of paper, and all the pistols and marking the loads that scored VG or VVG, I was able to see that some loads worked in a lot of different guns. In this Titegroup test, 3.4 gr was best in 8 guns; 3.6 gr was best in 7 guns, but 3.8 gr only excelled in 1 gun.
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But I bet many loaders just choose the hottest load in the book and stick with it. They probably are missing out on the best performance their gun can produce. In my guns, the hot loads get the worst groups.

Then I make buckets of the popular loads and label each tub with the guns that ammo is best suited.
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Great post and food for thought, I've pondered this many times but you actually got out there and did it Bravo.

This may just kick start me to get some testing done..

Did you use or find a Chrono helpful for your tests?
 
I did some loads for my .357 and n340, starting at 7 g as you suggested and worked up to 7.5 in.1 increments. 7.2 was the winner. The M&P was a different story. I started at 3.9 and worked up to 4.5 ,again in .1 increments . But I couldn't tell the difference. Going to give it another try, start with 3.5 and work up to 4.5 using the campro 115 projectiles and col of 1.135
 
I did some loads for my .357 and n340, starting at 7 g as you suggested and worked up to 7.5 in.1 increments. 7.2 was the winner. The M&P was a different story. I started at 3.9 and worked up to 4.5 ,again in .1 increments . But I couldn't tell the difference. Going to give it another try, start with 3.5 and work up to 4.5 using the campro 115 projectiles and col of 1.135

I had a similar experience with my M&P 40. It shot all ammo about the same Good or Very Good. So I picked the load that had the least recoil. But most pistols seemed to have a clear favorite load.
 
thanks for the great info. I am in the process of putting everything together(going to pickup my 550b next week) and did have a spreadsheet created for this exactly like you described below. would you mind share your format(and test data ideally) for the newbies like me to validate our thoughts? I use spreadsheet because I can see everything at a glance, and use filters based on columns to create views depending on what I want to see which follows your multiple-page logbook idea.

Beginner rifle handloaders seem to try to focus on max possible velocity. Once that novelty wears off, they experiment with bullets, OAL, powders and powder charges to find the load that gets the best groups.

I don’t see the same load development focus for handgunners. I suspect part of the reason is that most cannot shoot well enough to see a big difference in loads. But the same mixture of variables for handgun ammo (powder, bullet, etc.) can be used to develop more accurate ammo.

When I have an OAL that feeds and chambers properly, I load a test of 10 rounds each, in 0.3 gr increments, starting very low (sometimes too mild to cycle the action) all the way to max in the book. I keep log books for each caliber and have a page for each gun. This prevents me from repeating a test unnecessarily, and gives me lots of data to extrapolate to new guns and situations. Here is a 9mm pistol log page, and you can see a test I ran using 2.6 to 3.8 gr of Titegroup and the DRG 135gr lead bullet. I ran the same test twice. This pistol clearly shot much better with a mild load. If I had never run the test, I would have never known how accurate this pistol could be.
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I made a bucket of each load and then ran the same test in 20 different pistols. I have run similar tests in other calibers. It would be nice to have a single load that worked well in all guns (have not found one yet) but by listing all the loads on a sheet of paper, and all the pistols and marking the loads that scored VG or VVG, I was able to see that some loads worked in a lot of different guns. In this Titegroup test, 3.4 gr was best in 8 guns; 3.6 gr was best in 7 guns, but 3.8 gr only excelled in 1 gun.
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But I bet many loaders just choose the hottest load in the book and stick with it. They probably are missing out on the best performance their gun can produce. In my guns, the hot loads get the worst groups.

Then I make buckets of the popular loads and label each tub with the guns that ammo is best suited.
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Wow that is a lot of testing. What is your definition of P, F, G, VG etc. 4", 3", 2", 1" groups? Also when you did these test did you do it from a rest?
Thanks for sharing
 
Wow that is a lot of testing. What is your definition of P, F, G, VG etc. 4", 3", 2", 1" groups? Also when you did these test did you do it from a rest?
Thanks for sharing

It is a lot of testing, but the spreadsheet is based on tests over the last 5 years.

My definition of VG, etc. is just based on my general expectation of what a good 20 yard group looks like. VG for an 8" revolver is a smaller group than VG for a 3' snubbie. So it is a subjective grading, not a measurement. I shoot two handed, no rest, fairly quickly.

My rating is based on group size, not score or is it close to the bull. group centering is a sight adjustment issue, not a load issue.

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thanks for the great info. I am in the process of putting everything together(going to pickup my 550b next week) and did have a spreadsheet created for this exactly like you described below. would you mind share your format(and test data ideally) for the newbies like me to validate our thoughts? I use spreadsheet because I can see everything at a glance, and use filters based on columns to create views depending on what I want to see which follows your multiple-page logbook idea.

I don't use a computer spreadsheet. I am an old fart and use pen and paper. I use a fountain pen because I am still suspicious of these new ball point pen things.

The main thing is to assign a page to each gun. Don't put different guns on the same page. Over the years you will have pages of data for each gun. When there are too many pages in the binder, get some more binders and use one binder for each caliber.

The spreadsheet is just lines drawn on the back of a used target that I do once in awhile when I think I have enough data for one caliber.
 
Lol.. if everyone is like you, I am going to be out of job(I am a computer guy). :)

Thanks again for the ideas! I since added tabs and fields to my spreadsheet. the beauty with a spreadsheet is that I don't have to organize anything, the computer does it for me. I can create all the views based on different criterias, such as guns, barrels(I have conversion barrels) and powders etc. I will do some fine tuning and see if I can upload it here so that whoever think it might be useful can make their own from there.


I don't use a computer spreadsheet. I am an old fart and use pen and paper. I use a fountain pen because I am still suspicious of these new ball point pen things.

The main thing is to assign a page to each gun. Don't put different guns on the same page. Over the years you will have pages of data for each gun. When there are too many pages in the binder, get some more binders and use one binder for each caliber.

The spreadsheet is just lines drawn on the back of a used target that I do once in awhile when I think I have enough data for one caliber.
 
I couldn't find a way to attach the file here. so the screen shot. it's a spreadsheet based on Granderite's logbook, added my own fields and filters so that you can easily sort and filter out the information you need to check, for example, only 9mm, or only 5 inch barrel length, or certain bullet etc. If anyone wants the file, please pm me with email and I can send it to you. it's very easy to create your own though. the "sort" and "filter" are on the "data" menu in excel. sorry about the spanish. it's for work.

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Ganderite, ok you have made me rethink my pistol work up. For the most part I have always created loads to cycle reliably and get a decent fps (mag loads I have full and tame). I might put a little more effort in for the next round

luckey, I have almost the exact same thing except I use a new tab per calibre and add fps, and a notes column. I even have a tab that I imported the entire Hodgdon 12 ga Shotgun loading data with a few macros, I think it is 28,000 entries just because I didn't like that you can't search (filter) on their website based on all types of component, ex where is a 12S0 wad used with titewad.
 
Hi Seagull, yes, the screen can't capture everything. the note column is at the very right side, along with other things like my own caliper measure on the powder meter etc.. I didn't use the multi-tab approach as the filter is just a dropdown. if I want to see 9mm only, it's just a mouse-click away. beauty of the computer, always multiple ways for the same thing. :)
for the macros, glad to see we have more techies who also play guns. :) , since the purpose of this is a "lab book" for personal best loads, depending on your purpose of this spreadsheet, probably it's not required for everyone.

Ganderite, ok you have made me rethink my pistol work up. For the most part I have always created loads to cycle reliably and get a decent fps (mag loads I have full and tame). I might put a little more effort in for the next round

luckey, I have almost the exact same thing except I use a new tab per calibre and add fps, and a notes column. I even have a tab that I imported the entire Hodgdon 12 ga Shotgun loading data with a few macros, I think it is 28,000 entries just because I didn't like that you can't search (filter) on their website based on all types of component, ex where is a 12S0 wad used with titewad.
 
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Great post Ganderite. I think this should be stickied for all reloaders out there - not just new, as we all have fallen to the "faster is better" line of reloading at some point!

Edit - BOOM STICKIED!
 
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Hmm... this could be the reason why my first trip to the range with my first set of reloads had better groups with my SAM than my Colt Combat Elite (.45 acp).

I should test it further by making two loads, one at 4.7gr and one at 4.9gr and see if there are differences with the grouping.

My recipe currently includes IMR-700X, 230Gr CamPro RN, mixed brass, Remington large primer pistol. OAL at 1.273, this length at least chambers smoothly with both pistols.

You have a good idea for the test which I'll try in the next few weeks.
 
Ive been only conducting reloading for rifle at this point and have been approached with trying PPC.

Ive been browsing the reloading section looking for a starting point on 9mm in a CZ/SP01 with standard fit. I apologize if anyone has covered this but in brief discussions at the range a few of them have mentioned some settings.

Campro 124gn bullet
3.2gn Titegroup (?) - not sure of that number.
CCI Small Pistol Primer (?) - not sure of number (400?). Do other brands make that big of a difference such as Federal, S&B etc?

Someone also mentioned that they went to a 13lb guide rod spring on a CZ/SP01 due to potential breaking of the slide stop. Is this a myth or is it recommended to switch to a lighter spring as I think the factory is a 15lb?

Thank you in advance. Before I put down approx $300 for the components and a spare slide stop, Id like to narrow down my starting point.
 
Just read this: I have been doing this on Xcel since I started reloading way back with windows 3.1 lol. I use a tab per firearm and work up loads in batches of 5 rounds per firearm so I can examine the loads in each gun and decide if it something suitable for that firearm. I do this with pistol and rifle and have compiled quite a bit of info over the years as a result. Anyone reloading should be doing this! You will be pleased when you look back thru your load data and see the results you may have forgotten or need to reference for future reloading.
 
Ive been only conducting reloading for rifle at this point and have been approached with trying PPC.

Ive been browsing the reloading section looking for a starting point on 9mm in a CZ/SP01 with standard fit. I apologize if anyone has covered this but in brief discussions at the range a few of them have mentioned some settings.

Campro 124gn bullet
3.2gn Titegroup (?) - not sure of that number.
CCI Small Pistol Primer (?) - not sure of number (400?). Do other brands make that big of a difference such as Federal, S&B etc?

Someone also mentioned that they went to a 13lb guide rod spring on a CZ/SP01 due to potential breaking of the slide stop. Is this a myth or is it recommended to switch to a lighter spring as I think the factory is a 15lb?

Thank you in advance. Before I put down approx $300 for the components and a spare slide stop, Id like to narrow down my starting point.

3.2 of TG seems very light. I suggest you try 3.5, 3.8 and 4.1
 
Hi Ganderite,

Thanks for sharing. I saw this post some years ago, long before it was a sticky. I've since modeled my load development process off of your guidance and have come up with some great loads. One of my best, 4.5 gr. of TG under 230 gr plated 45ACP, out of a Ruger 1911. The first grouping + gun I mastered, this was quite revealing of not only what my pistol was capable of, but also myself. I was able to hit 2" groups at 25 yards. Thanks again!
 
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