Most robust lever gun
- Thread starter Bushbum40
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It's common knowledge that the strongest lever action made is the Miroku made Browning BLR.
The front locking rotating bolt lugs engage the base of the barrel/chamber assembly permitting chambering of cartridges generating pressure in the 65K psi range.
It's actually a lever actuated bolt action.
Stronger than Marlin 1895.
Stronger than Winchester 1886.
The front locking rotating bolt lugs engage the base of the barrel/chamber assembly permitting chambering of cartridges generating pressure in the 65K psi range.
It's actually a lever actuated bolt action.
Stronger than Marlin 1895.
Stronger than Winchester 1886.
BLRs are routinely chambered in cartridges that generate pressures (65K+ psi) that would blow a Marlin 1895 apart.
That's why people keep saying that they are strong actions.
Currently own 2 x Miroku BLR takedowns.
They need to be maintained and cleaned like any other firearm.
Never had a problem with mine.
Thanks. I guess I just can't get over the gears
I've heard all the BLR criticisms by those who don't like BLRs.
1) poor/uncertain lock up - BS
2) weak unreliable camming action - BS
3) gears freeze up in cold weather - BS
4) inaccurate - BS - my 2 BLRs print consistent less than 1" 3-shot groups @ 100 yds from benched sand bags
5) lousy trigger - partly true - I polished mine and am down to a crisp and consistent 2.5 pounds but you have to know what you're doing to work on a BLR trigger
6) expensive - more so than the new Marlins but I'll take Miroku/Browning workmanship and wood to metal fitting over anything Remington makes any day
I have owned a BLR in 308 and 30-06, a Henry 30-30, Marlin Cowboy in 357 and new (2012) Marlin 30-30. for my preferences, only the Marlins remain. The BLR's have strong actions alright, but the box magazines gave me issues - along with their goofy sights - small things really. I have to be happy when I shoot. The Henry was good, except for the tubular loading and some headspace issues with too many of them new in the box.
The Marlin (or Remilin) 30-30 was nothing of the sort. Right out of the box shoots well. I like it in the truck. It really shoots well with 100 gr and 125 gr pills. the 150 gr, well they are ok, but I leave them to the 30-06. The Marlin Cowboy (2010) had an issue with the front tube dovetail - nothing a little peening couldn't fix. The really nice thing about Marlins are the ease, speed and QUIET of loading. Box mags are ok, but if ya get one which is a little out of spec - they are nothing but trouble. Both 30-06 and 308 had jammers at the critical (fast) moment - bye bye box mags.
The Marlin (or Remilin) 30-30 was nothing of the sort. Right out of the box shoots well. I like it in the truck. It really shoots well with 100 gr and 125 gr pills. the 150 gr, well they are ok, but I leave them to the 30-06. The Marlin Cowboy (2010) had an issue with the front tube dovetail - nothing a little peening couldn't fix. The really nice thing about Marlins are the ease, speed and QUIET of loading. Box mags are ok, but if ya get one which is a little out of spec - they are nothing but trouble. Both 30-06 and 308 had jammers at the critical (fast) moment - bye bye box mags.
Bought and sold several BLRs over the years for personal financial rather than functional reasons.
Owned the Belgium extended box magazine version as well as the Miroku "gold trigger" flush box magazine version BLRs.
Have never had a problem with malfunctions in regards to feeding from the box mags or anything else.
Me and the several friends I know who own flawless BLRs both Belgian and Japanese are just lucky I guess.
One BLR had lock up issues because a previous owner had taken it apart and got the gear "timing" wrong but he told me about it when he sold it to me and it took me less than half an hour to fix it.
My BLRs are scoped but I've shot them with the factory sights which are pretty decent. Not Skinner sights by any means but decent and functional.
The Marlins - where to start??? - a horror story.
I have fixed major problems for myself and as well as others with cycling and feeding from the Remlin junk being produced at the Ilion, NY factory and the general workmanship, checkering and w/m fit on some of those guns were outrageous as if a blindfolded 5 year old kid had built the guns.
I fix and repair guns as well as shoot them and anyone who has had problems with BLRs and yet gives Marlin/Remlin a pass has had a vastly different experience than I had.
The unmitigated crap that comes out of the Remlin factory doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as the superb Miroku built Browning BLRs.
Owned the Belgium extended box magazine version as well as the Miroku "gold trigger" flush box magazine version BLRs.
Have never had a problem with malfunctions in regards to feeding from the box mags or anything else.
Me and the several friends I know who own flawless BLRs both Belgian and Japanese are just lucky I guess.
One BLR had lock up issues because a previous owner had taken it apart and got the gear "timing" wrong but he told me about it when he sold it to me and it took me less than half an hour to fix it.
My BLRs are scoped but I've shot them with the factory sights which are pretty decent. Not Skinner sights by any means but decent and functional.
The Marlins - where to start??? - a horror story.
I have fixed major problems for myself and as well as others with cycling and feeding from the Remlin junk being produced at the Ilion, NY factory and the general workmanship, checkering and w/m fit on some of those guns were outrageous as if a blindfolded 5 year old kid had built the guns.
I fix and repair guns as well as shoot them and anyone who has had problems with BLRs and yet gives Marlin/Remlin a pass has had a vastly different experience than I had.
The unmitigated crap that comes out of the Remlin factory doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as the superb Miroku built Browning BLRs.
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
Op was looking for a 30-30 levergun.
To me, that means Winchester, Savage or Marlin, or maybe even Mossberg, although some would have trouble thinking that way.
Never fired a Mossberg, but they do seem to be well put together.
I'm a Winchester fan, in this area, the old 94 has taken deer, bear, and moose for me without issue. I have used it hard, it has had the stocks replaced, seen the bottom of a beaver pond ( with me attached) and been out in the freezing rain and snow as well as the rain. It is scratched, dented, and gouged in many places, and some of the finish has come off where bloody hands carried it while dragging deer out of the bush. It's a tough old rifle, probably not as accurate as it once was, but will likely still turn in around two inches. It did a fluky 3/4 inch group about ten years back.
I've shot factory, but not in the last twenty years or so, mostly it's the 170 grain Hornady interlock, or cast bullets.
To me, that means Winchester, Savage or Marlin, or maybe even Mossberg, although some would have trouble thinking that way.
Never fired a Mossberg, but they do seem to be well put together.
I'm a Winchester fan, in this area, the old 94 has taken deer, bear, and moose for me without issue. I have used it hard, it has had the stocks replaced, seen the bottom of a beaver pond ( with me attached) and been out in the freezing rain and snow as well as the rain. It is scratched, dented, and gouged in many places, and some of the finish has come off where bloody hands carried it while dragging deer out of the bush. It's a tough old rifle, probably not as accurate as it once was, but will likely still turn in around two inches. It did a fluky 3/4 inch group about ten years back.
I've shot factory, but not in the last twenty years or so, mostly it's the 170 grain Hornady interlock, or cast bullets.
The Remlins for the most part are diamonds in the rough.
I custom built a Remlin 336SS in 30-30 for a friend.
I stripped it down and polished the internals until it was so smooth it would cycle with my baby finger in the finger lever.
I replaced the factory stock with the laughable "shadow" checkering and w/m gaps you could stick a "twoonie" in with a Boyds stock I hand fitted and hand checkered myself.
The rifle she tells me gets lots of good comments at the range and in the hunting field and is deadly accurate.
the spank
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- Planet Earth Wearing My Tinfoil Hat
In a 30-30? Nothing feels as good in hand as my Great Grandfathers Model 64 Deluxe Carbine (circa 1935) It feels every bit as robust albeit in a smaller lightweight package as my Grandfathers Model 71. I love the curved levers and the pistol grip feel along with the beavertail style forends.
Most robust lever gun BLR in 450 Marlin loaded HOT with 500 gr Hornady Interbonds 
RJ
RJ
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Careful there looky, you can shoot yer out with that that one.
Rob
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
That is true, and examining a Miroku made '94 Winchester, it's impressive.
On the other hand, it's also damned expensive compared to what the '94 used to sell for. I think I paid a little over a hundred bucks for the only new one I bought. But that was 40 years back.
That one is a 1971 version. Have to be very careful with 1971's it was the year Winchester woke up, and stopped with the stamped parts. So some do, some don't have them.
