Q. - diemaco C8A3 vs. colt M4

[Gunnerlove]

I like how the RCMP has operators now...................................... I guess that is why they see the value of the reduced POI shift IURs give when firing from support. No doubt that is factored in while making brass at arms length.

 

[GT_Hawk]

i asked this a while back, here is my thread where again we have colt responding when colt itself was officially talking in the forums. I do miss there input and knowledge here.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...SA15-7-diff-from-LE6940-LE6920-Us-colt-models


that said I finelay did get a sa15.7 and could not be happier besides the barrel its just overall made to one hell of a high standard compared to the us military standard issue rifle.

 

[CreamySmooth]

The force ERT teams across Canada uses the IUR with the M203A1 sleeve...

It may not be given to all members but some are able to customize their rifles the way they want (I agree that a majority will just use what is given to them). All that is needed is the boss approval/signature, witch is given after a 5-10 mins chat. This is not to spend more on useless stuff, it's to suit the rifle to the operator so it can be used to it's max potential. I'm not talking patrol rifle that will be used once a year to run a qualification course.

In regards to the "90 rounds carried" you never know when & how many rounds you'll have to use to neutralize the threat(s). Different scenarios means different tactics & obviously # of mags carried, you may have to use more than what's carried in the pouches anyway (a partner may have to feed you some more...etc).

I've fired both M4 & C8. I prefer to have the more accurate tool to be able to engage at longer distances (if needed) than "hoping" to make my shot with a hot, used & abused less accurate tool... That's just me, you would probably be fine with your 6920 as with a majority of members. But a C8 is way more accurate than an M4 past 50m weather it fires it's first or 200th shot in SA or FA, that alone could make the difference between a neutralized threat vs. a critical situation. While at it, the profile of the basic IUR w/o the CF M203A1 sleeve is no heavier than the M4. You're saying that it's a full heavy profile, it isn't, it's a medium profile (about 0.76" behind the GB and it thins out to about 0.65" up front) witch makes about the same weight minus 0.4". What's heavier on the C8 is the railed forend. Skilled vs. Skilled operator, the IUR makes a better allround rifle. That's just my opinion, no hard feelings.

Don't know where you work. Montreal? But the work divisions, the contract divisions, are told the gun is not to be modified in GD hands. ERT doesn't run these guns. Never seen a single one in ERT hands. Ever.

Here's the tech specs page.

http://www.coltcanada.com/assets/94202c-

They call it a Heavy Barrel. I know that's not the RCMP gun exactly. But I'm betting the barrel didn't get lighter.

I don't get how you think in a combat police situation that the small amount of accuracy you gain from a barrel production technique is going to matter with a 1X AimPoint. Cause I can tell you brother, it don't matter. 90 rounds, 180 rounds, 400 rounds. it doesn't matter. If an LE officer gets to a round count this high, no one around you has more. Someone is calling the Forces at this point. Thats the guys with the guns that don't have an IUR cause they bought twice as many guns for the same price. Smart guys.

I can't change your mind that the IUR is slower and far less efficient at CQ. So take one, go run a competition and see how many guys shoot an IUR. it's less efficient than a regular rifle when conservation of movement for fast shooting matters. If you are shooting at range you should be employing your .308 at that point.

 

[Gunnerlove]

If I was panic training an organization to use ARs I would 100% prohibit the users from monkeying with them to reduce the number of stupid and airsoft things that are done to them.

 

[mebiuspower]

I can't change your mind that the IUR is slower and far less efficient at CQ. So take one, go run a competition and see how many guys shoot an IUR. it's less efficient than a regular rifle when conservation of movement for fast shooting matters. If you are shooting at range you should be employing your .308 at that point.

You make too much sense. That will get you banned here!

 

[Maple Leaf Pilgrim]

Last I checked the majority of the RCMP ERT guys were running what was basically a mix of C8 SFWs and C8A3s.

-S.

 

[Maple Leaf Pilgrim]

If I was panic training an organization to use ARs I would 100% prohibit the users from monkeying with them to reduce the number of stupid and airsoft things that are done to them.

I like that "airsoft things". Imma steal that one, k?

As far as panic training anybody on anything, there should be no modifications, on that we agree, just like I bet you'd agree that the old salts should be responsible for the initial configuration of the weapons and not some one pip wonder what's played too much call of duty.

-S.

 

[xdmer]

I have to agree here. I have the SA15.7, IUR and PSA in M4 profile, with an aimpoint comp m4s tried on each. For all practical purposes in civi shooting, M4 is going to win every time for CQ and your typical competition shooting. Opinions are always subject to change, but I'm also looking at glass and 308 past 300 (psst,my range doesn't even go to 300). That's just me =)

The IUR is most definitely front heavy, it only balances out if you use a heavy and weighted down lower.

I'm also considering selling my CC, to build out a more hard use AR - that FITS ME. They are nice rifles.

You make too much sense. That will get you banned here!

I can't change your mind that the IUR is slower and far less efficient at CQ. So take one, go run a competition and see how many guys shoot an IUR. it's less efficient than a regular rifle when conservation of movement for fast shooting matters. If you are shooting at range you should be employing your .308 at that point.