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None of the factory rounds I have tried work as good as my 168 AMAX Varget handloads.
Those are some great groups, care to share your rifle specs and lead recipe your using?
Cheers
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Those are some great groups, care to share your rifle specs and lead recipe your using?
Cheers
Now where are all the naysayers that were on about the rifles lack of accuracy? Strangely quiet.[/QUOTE]
Nice groups for sure. 100m ?
So ATRS bold comment, so to back that comment on accuracy are you putting a gaurantee of say .75 MOA on the MH with hanloads ?
Its nice to see everyone so excited about this rifle and it is a nice setup for sure but most tagets posted on here are at best 1.5 MOA
Nice groups for sure. 100m ?
So ATRS bold comment, so to back that comment on accuracy are you putting a gaurantee of say .75 MOA on the MH with hanloads ?
Its nice to see everyone so excited about this rifle and it is a nice setup for sure but most tagets posted on here are at best 1.5 MOA
I'm amazed people are still questioning accuracy on this rifle.
Factory loads are rarely consistent so to guarantee anything more than 1 moa with of the shelf stuff would be tough. This is the first rifle I've ever loaded for ( I was a little nervous, but asked allot of questions until I was comfortable ) I have only worked with 1 powder and 1 bullet and have so far only done 1/2 grain increments and I'm already into the 3/4 moa with 5 shot groups.
Many of my groups were 1/4-1/2 moa on 3 shots.
I never found a factory round I was thrilled with.
The rifle seems to be happy with 168 Amax and varget
Factory loads are rarely consistent so to guarantee anything more than 1 moa with of the shelf stuff would be tough. This is the first rifle I've ever loaded for ( I was a little nervous, but asked allot of questions until I was comfortable ) I have only worked with 1 powder and 1 bullet and have so far only done 1/2 grain increments and I'm already into the 3/4 moa with 5 shot groups.
Many of my groups were 1/4-1/2 moa on 3 shots.
I never found a factory round I was thrilled with.
The rifle seems to be happy with 168 Amax and varget
There is no question in my mind about the accuracy of my MH.... I was hitting the small Gryphon binary targets (about 2-3 inches wide) at 500 yards shot after shot. Shooting the factory 6.5 Creedmoor was probably achieving about 1 to 1.5 MOA; my handloads will perform around .5... I've had groups as small as .3 and as large as .75. Not sure, but it's probably me that is the limitation when my groups open up.
Can't wait to plink steel at 1KM when I get the chance.
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Since when is the M.H. a "precision" rifle?
My understanding from the start was that it is a semi-auto hunting rifle. And besides, my manual says that the warranty is void if you use "hand-loads". So, what gives with all this accuracy bashing anyways? I've taken mine out to 300 yards and hit inside a 3 inch circle. I intend to take it out further for "target practice" only just to see what it's capable of.
But, imho, this is a very accurate hunting rifle. And who will be hunting with a .308 beyond 300 yards anyways. (That is, if we're still talking about this as a "hunting rifle" as it implies in its name.)
sorry, you may bash away nay-sayers[/QUOTE]
Rick said near the beginning of production the MH is a .5 to .75 MOA rifle....some people are waiting to see if this holds up!
I'd like it clarified if the 3 yr warranty is voided for "damage due to high velocity, high pressure, reloaded or other nonstandard ammunition" means any reloaded ammo or only high pressure high velocity reloads, as in going outside the specs in the reloading books? Seems to me must mean hot loads as during testing and throughout ATRS has spoken of "not having time to develop loads yet" etc early on when the accuracy questions began.
"Its nice to see everyone so excited about this rifle and it is a nice setup for sure
but most targets posted on here are at best 1.5 MOA"
The problem I see with this statement is that it's not necessarily a gauge of the rifles accuracy, but the loads accuracy, AND THE SHOOTERS. Saying a rifle is not an MOA gun, or even sub-MOA gun, judging by groups shot by a few individuals,(there still aren't that many out there) in uncontrolled conditions is not a fair assessment in my opinion. I know that I have at least 3 rifles in my cabinet that are capable of sub-MOA, without breaking a sweat. Do I get sub-MOA groups from them all the time-nope. I'm getting close to 50. I smoke too much, and drink way to much coffee. Sometimes even at the range. My eyesight is nowhere as good as it was 20 or 30 years ago. And I can't read the wind worth sh!t. So when I shoot 5 round groups, sometimes they all come in at 1", or awful dang close. Some days they stretch out to 1.5. That doesn't mean that the rifles accuracy has changed. It means that I am not a consistent 1" shooter. That's why I keep on practicing and shooting. Let's face it. Going by my ability there would be NO rifles out there that are true 1 MOA guns
but most targets posted on here are at best 1.5 MOA"
The problem I see with this statement is that it's not necessarily a gauge of the rifles accuracy, but the loads accuracy, AND THE SHOOTERS. Saying a rifle is not an MOA gun, or even sub-MOA gun, judging by groups shot by a few individuals,(there still aren't that many out there) in uncontrolled conditions is not a fair assessment in my opinion. I know that I have at least 3 rifles in my cabinet that are capable of sub-MOA, without breaking a sweat. Do I get sub-MOA groups from them all the time-nope. I'm getting close to 50. I smoke too much, and drink way to much coffee. Sometimes even at the range. My eyesight is nowhere as good as it was 20 or 30 years ago. And I can't read the wind worth sh!t. So when I shoot 5 round groups, sometimes they all come in at 1", or awful dang close. Some days they stretch out to 1.5. That doesn't mean that the rifles accuracy has changed. It means that I am not a consistent 1" shooter. That's why I keep on practicing and shooting. Let's face it. Going by my ability there would be NO rifles out there that are true 1 MOA guns
Rifle is MH with medium 20" stainless barrel, muzzle break, and a CTR. Target is 100 yards. Loads are 168 Amax, Varget. I am very happy so far. I know I can do better as I was in a rush.
In a hunting rifle as long as the first shot puts the bullet where it supposed to ,that's all that matters not grouping .
I always judge my hunting rifles by how thay shoot with a cold darrell
I know of some hard-core hunters that will take one shot each day early in the morning for a week just to find that sweet spot when sighting in .
It is interesting to see your guys Range report but I can't wait for sum actual field reports from you guys hunting with your MH
I always judge my hunting rifles by how thay shoot with a cold darrell
I know of some hard-core hunters that will take one shot each day early in the morning for a week just to find that sweet spot when sighting in .
It is interesting to see your guys Range report but I can't wait for sum actual field reports from you guys hunting with your MH
Here is my best load so far...
Powder: 43.6 grains H4350
Bullet: Lapua Scenar 123g
COAL = 2.80 (to fit magazine)
Cartridge base to Ogive: 2.245
Average speed is 2800fps
I'm not hunting with the MH so this is a target load.
All I know is that shooting 3 shot groups makes sub-MOA groups a lot more common. Not because of the rifle accuracy, but because there is less chance for me to screw up. If you really want to be impressed, you should see my one shot groups. Sub-MOA every time. (LOL)
Given the name of the rifle is modern HUNTER the focus must be on hunting/accuracy and not precision.
So what is the expected accuracy of the MH, factory ammo, cold bore, 1MOA?
My thoughts on accuracy and precision.
Hunting rifle: Cold bore, one shot one kill, 1 shot accuracy, who cares about precision.
Precision rifle: 2 sighting shots to warm up barrel. 5 shot groups are 1/2 MOA (1/2" max at 100m).
So what is the expected accuracy of the MH, factory ammo, cold bore, 1MOA?
My thoughts on accuracy and precision.
Hunting rifle: Cold bore, one shot one kill, 1 shot accuracy, who cares about precision.
Precision rifle: 2 sighting shots to warm up barrel. 5 shot groups are 1/2 MOA (1/2" max at 100m).
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grouping does matter, especially in a hunting rifle . here in nova scotia a 100 yard shot would be a fairly long shot were I hunt ,but I wouldn't hunt with a rifle that groups anymore then 1.5 inches for ethical reasons. now if your shooting a lot further like you guys out west , 1.5 moa group at 100 is pretty big at 500 +. and yes for hunting it is one cold bore shot, but you still have to shoot groups or one shot a day for a few days to see if your guns hitting were you want. I think a lot of people are interested in how this gun groups, hunters and paper punchers. so bring on the range reports guys.
Based on the fact that they are now producing mags to fit I'm going with no on that one.
