Not enough "clicks". Again...

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Given the 9" twist barrel he's got, I imagine stabilization would be a problem with that big pill. I can 'just' manage a 77gr Sierra TMK in my 9" twist Remington with a stability factor (Sg) of 1.387 - Sg is good above 1.4. The VLD's are longer (1.11" vs 0.994") & heavier which would make them really tough to stabilize with that twist rate (Sg of 1.045 @ 2800fps - and it gets worse with lower muzzle velocities).
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I've had the very best accuracy with 70 grain Bergers, but can't seem to find them lately... I'd like to try some 75grian Amax when I get time.
 
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Boomer454 said:
I've had the very best accuracy with 70 grain Bergers, but can't seem to find them lately... I'd like to try some 75grian vmax when I get time.
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I've heard really good things about the Hornady AMAX - especially given their price - but haven't shot any yet. The AMAX is a long bullet, like the VLD's, so stabilization could be an issue in our 9" twist barrels. The BTHP is shorter and would be fine in our barrels, but gives up a LOT to the AMAX in terms of ballistic coefficient.
 
First off you are probably not going to be accurate at 1000 if you ever get that far. Your round won't have enuough velocity.

Now to address getting out there. Forget about how much overall travel your scope has, it tops out now at 128 clicks. That's all you need to know. So that leaves you short 74 clicks, or 18.5 MOA. Approx 185 inches at 1000. ( so 15 feet not the 10 you guessed) now how are you going to get that extra elevation???? A 40 moa rail would do it sure. But that's extra money and time, especially because you won't be shooting accurately at 1000 any way. What other option is there. We'll you do have that mil dot reticle in your scope, maybe we could use that. So we have 5 mils between the cetera and the thick bar on the reticle. Each mil is 36 inch at 1000. So 185 devised by 36 = 5.14 mils. So if you place the thick portion of your bottom verticle reticle near the top of your target you should be able to get your bullet out to 1000. Mind you not anywhere near your target for any repeatable amount of hits.
 
Here's some advice from a guy that's just slightly ahead of you in the LR game. Take it for what it's worth.

Making a jump from 3-500yds to 1000 is like going from driving your car to just hopping in an airplane and hoping like hell that you'll get into the air and then back down safe. You won't die trying to get to 1000, but if you're anything like me you'll get frustrated, and shoot even worse, and get pissed off and quit.

Now, I'm not at all saying that you're not capable, almost all of us are, but there's lots of things that have to be right. If any of these are redundant for you, just tell me to suckit.

You're first thing, JMHO, is your caliber. In not pretending to know everything, but in my head I see people doing 3-600 with the .223-ish, 6-1000 with the 6.5's and .308's, 1000-1800' with the .338's, and 1800+ with the insano chey's.

From there, your glass is important, but you don't need a NF. Sightron and Vortex can get you to 1000 no problem.

Then there's your rifle. You don't need. 3000$ custom, but there are tonnes of heavy barrelled factory guns available for under 1000$. A t3 varmint would be my first choice. You can customize the $hit out of it as you can afford. Start by bedding it, +\- a Boyd's stock.

Then there's you. You gotta know your $hit. The details of your scope, your rifle, your load, the wind, etc etc. That's a lonely thing to do alone. I have 3 close friends, one who is very experienced, so we leach info from him. Forums are great, and don't be discouraged by the jerks that may talk down to you. LR is 90% thinking and prep, 10% trigger squeezing. You have to love it, or you'll lose interest.

Hope that helps somewhat. Don't get bummed out, and honesty I'm not trying to be condescending. I've lived it, and am living it, now too!!

-J.

PS - if my ATACR ever gets here (jobrook, are you listening???) I have a 4.5-30 XRS I may put up for sale. 34mm tube and more clicks available...
 
According to my Sierra program, a 69grSMK starting out at 2800 fps will be subsonic long before it reaches 1000m. No idea if it would still be stable.
Given a 100m zero, a "come-up" of about 60 minutes would be needed. If you have a 20moa base, that means the scope must have another 40 minutes available. A lot of scopes could handle that.
I have my doubts, though, that a 69grSMK would be a good choice for extended range shooting.
I have shot successfully to 900m using 80grSMKs, using an old Weaver K16 in Burris Signature rings.
 
Gunneegoogoo said:
Here's some advice from a guy that's just slightly ahead of you in the LR game. Take it for what it's worth.

Making a jump from 3-500yds to 1000 is like going from driving your car to just hopping in an airplane and hoping like hell that you'll get into the air and then back down safe. You won't die trying to get to 1000, but if you're anything like me you'll get frustrated, and shoot even worse, and get pissed off and quit.

Now, I'm not at all saying that you're not capable, almost all of us are, but there's lots of things that have to be right. If any of these are redundant for you, just tell me to suckit.

You're first thing, JMHO, is your caliber. In not pretending to know everything, but in my head I see people doing 3-600 with the .223-ish, 6-1000 with the 6.5's and .308's, 1000-1800' with the .338's, and 1800+ with the insano chey's.

From there, your glass is important, but you don't need a NF. Sightron and Vortex can get you to 1000 no problem.

Then there's your rifle. You don't need. 3000$ custom, but there are tonnes of heavy barrelled factory guns available for under 1000$. A t3 varmint would be my first choice. You can customize the $hit out of it as you can afford. Start by bedding it, +\- a Boyd's stock.

Then there's you. You gotta know your $hit. The details of your scope, your rifle, your load, the wind, etc etc. That's a lonely thing to do alone. I have 3 close friends, one who is very experienced, so we leach info from him. Forums are great, and don't be discouraged by the jerks that may talk down to you. LR is 90% thinking and prep, 10% trigger squeezing. You have to love it, or you'll lose interest.

Hope that helps somewhat. Don't get bummed out, and honesty I'm not trying to be condescending. I've lived it, and am living it, now too!!

-J.

PS - if my ATACR ever gets here (jobrook, are you listening???) I have a 4.5-30 XRS I may put up for sale. 34mm tube and more clicks available...
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I think he put it really well.

Yes, a 40 moa base will get you out in the area with that scope and drop, as others have calculated. However, another point to add... You won't have the travel in your scope to make it back to zero, and the lowest you'll be able to go will still have 8 moa above horizontal. You would have to hold-under by 8 moa for 100 yards. And that's assuming perfect machining. 8 moa would put you over 400 yards by your screen shot.

Just saying, if you go that route, be prepared to be sighting in your rifle at quite the distance (or holding under).
 
FF57 said:
I think he put it really well.

Yes, a 40 moa base will get you out in the area with that scope and drop, as others have calculated. However, another point to add... You won't have the travel in your scope to make it back to zero, and the lowest you'll be able to go will still have 8 moa above horizontal. You would have to hold-under by 8 moa for 100 yards. And that's assuming perfect machining. 8 moa would put you over 400 yards by your screen shot.

Just saying, if you go that route, be prepared to be sighting in your rifle at quite the distance (or holding under).
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iI thought it was pretty good advice too.
I've done the math after all of the replies and a 40 minute base would not be very practical. Not being able to zero at 100 wouldn't be worth it to me.
 
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Cheapest way to do this without buying a 40MOA base would be to buy a set of Burris Zee rings with offset inserts. +.020 in the back and -.020 in the front.

Edit to add. Get some 75 gr Amax bullets and work up a good load. 75 Gr Amax bullets will make the tip out to 1000 yards without a problem. If you have a load that works, the only difference between shooting 300 yards and 1000 yards is your ability to read the wind and make the right corrections to stay in the bull.
 
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To the OP question of what others are using to get that far, I have a savage 12 FVSS with a 26'' 1-9 barrel. I have regularly taken this rig out to 1000, a little over actually at 1048 yrds. As far as a load, I load up a 75gr. VLD over H322 yielding a velocity of a very humble (and verified) 2631.77 fps. However take a look a this dope data!





As you can see I only need 41 MOA to reach 1000 yrds on this particular day, and carrying supersonic to 970 yards so i'm not spending much time trans/subsonic for very long at all (although on cold days its obviously more like 900ish yards and they are still stable so its all good). Anyways down to the optics part of it, I was using a Vortex Viper HS 4-16x50, which has 50 MOA of total adjustment. In addition to that I slapped a 20 MOA rail on it which brought me to within 3 MOA of the bottom of total adjustment (for a total adjustment of 47 MOA). Still able to Zero at 100, still able to dial to 1000. Here's a video of shooting a balloon at that distance. (This is one of my first times out that far with this rifle so forgive a couple misses. lol)



So this is your optic is it not? 4305?

http://www.opticsplanet.com/bushnell-4-5-30x50-matte-30mm-argon-elite-riflescope-mildot.html

This description also lists 50 MOA of range? or am i missing something from previous posts?

If for whatever reason you only have 32 or so MOA that has been stated, and that is indeed your optic and that is indeed the price it goes for, I would say sell it. You can definitely find other optics in that price point with more adjustment range, even a few bucks cheaper in fact.
 
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Yes that is my scope. The 32 moa is from the Bushnell website. They do make another almost identical scope with 50 moa of adjustment though.

I will definitely be trying some of the 75 grainers. I'm only shooting the smk's because that's all I could find at the time. I've had much better accuracy with 70 grain bergers.

Thanks everyone for your input. I have a plan now.
 
Boomer454 said:
Yes that is my scope. The 32 moa is from the Bushnell website. They do make another almost identical scope with 50 moa of adjustment though.

I will definitely be trying some of the 75 grainers. I'm only shooting the smk's because that's all I could find at the time. I've had much better accuracy with 70 grain bergers.

Thanks everyone for your input. I have a plan now.
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I have a part box of those 75 grain VLDs you can have for free if you want them. They're very long and I couldn't load them to fit my AR mag. Not sure where you're at, but I see you're in Alberta.
 
Stvnbrg.
I saw both versions of your post. Nice shooting in the video!

I'm going to find the heaviest, longest bullet my gun likes and go with that. I'm going to leave the equipment as is for now. Funds won't let me switch anything out at the moment anyway.

Tenguns.
Pm sent. Thank you.
 
A little off topic, but the way this thread has gone is really nice. 100% helpful, no bashing, no rudeness. This is how we all get better by helping each other out.....

-J.
 
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