What 9mm with a real safety to get

[TJspeller]

There's totally nothing wrong with a safety. If you remember to use it, and don't rely on that safety excessively (because if you get to relying on it totally, and forget the more important issues about muzzle and trigger, you're set up for trouble).

My personal experience is that there is no scenario under which I ever use the safety, and it tended to get in my way when I was racking the slide when I first started out but YMMV.

Once again, I re-iterate my endorsement for the 92FS. I would not recommend it for a woman unless she has larger than average hands and is fairly strong (because of the 16 lb DA trigger pull).

 

[Protege]

Well this has been lively

So back to the real question.

What pistols have an external safety?

Considering that you said black badge i am going to recommend the cz 75 shadow. There is the shadowline and shadow mate too if you like. I think the beretta px4 storm and ruger sr9 have a smaller grip profile than the cz so that might be more suited for your wife.

 

[XSlor]

What pistols have an external safety?

If you have a lot of money, a S&W PPC9 or a 5906

 

[shawn]

I dont think any one is saying not to get a gun with an external safety. Just that your presumption that they are "more" safe is wrong

Shawn

 

[Ganderite]

The OP mentions his rifle and shotguns have safeties. They get carried loaded (hunting) and a safety is needed.

In Canada, we paper shooters don't need safeties. We don't carry our guns.

There is a danger with an external safety. It can give a false sense of security. If you rely on it, instead of "finger off the trigger", the gun can go bang one day.

But, if he wants an external safety, the 1911 is the best. The DiamondBack FS has a good one, too.

 

[XSlor]

The OP mentions his rifle and shotguns have safeties. They get carried loaded (hunting) and a safety is needed.

In Canada, we paper shooters don't need safeties. We don't carry our guns.

There is a danger with an external safety. It can give a false sense of security. If you rely on it, instead of "finger off the trigger", the gun can go bang one day.

But, if he wants an external safety, the 1911 is the best. The DiamondBack FS has a good one, too.

It sounds like he plans on carrying at the range though.

Just that your presumption that they are "more" safe is wrong

There's been more accidents with firearms that don't have a safety while drawing from a holster. Also decocking is easier with a safety rather than using your thumb (like on a 1911)

 

[shawn]

There's been more accidents with firearms that don't have a safety while drawing from a holster. Also decocking is easier with a safety rather than using your thumb (like on a 1911)

LOL

Go ahead and post the proof of that BS

Shawn

 

[XSlor]

LOL

Go ahead and post the proof of that BS

Shawn

There's that local fellow that shot himself in the leg like... a week ago?? your turn...

(LEO at the range shot himself while drawing, maybe holstering, his weapon - I mention LEO because he would obviously have experience drawing his weapon)

And here's an example of how not having a safety can cause an AD:

 

[luckey]

Straight answer to you question. almost all major manufacturers have a safety version of their pistols, even Glock and S&W(hard to find in Canada I think, but not so in States).
All of them work the same and fine, nothing more "real" than another. the best safety/decocker/striker is as safe as the person is handling the gun.

Then, to OP's reasoning on buying a safety. I think it's not logical, but more physiological or emotional. If as you said no safety(striker and decocker) is not safe, all the police(glock/s&w/sig) and military are all being idiots for years. Does that even make any sense?
On Sig, the heavy 10+ lbs DA trigger cannot be fired just by touching it, vs the 3lbs SA trigger on 1911 without safety. it's totally different way of doing the same thing. And if you want to drop the hammer, decocker is way safer than manually drop the hammer on 1911 under normal situation. If you wife like sig, give it a try. It's an amazing gun. I have P226 extreme and SR1911. I won't give up one for another.

Hi all,

Both my wife and i are waiting on our rpals. We are new to pistols so we are unsure what to buy.

We went to a local range and tried a few 9mm pistols. (1911, glock 17, cz shadow, sig p226)

My wife liked the sig the best. However, it has no safety! That freaks me out.

What are some other options out there that have a real safety like a 1911?

Thanks!

 

[luckey]

This example does NOT necessarily prove safety is better than without safety. In your example, I would say the LEO was not paying attention to what he did and was forcing the gun into holster which shouldn't happen. just like when you are reloading, some people could just force a primer and caused the primer to explode which shouldn't happen either. remember the safety always rests on the person who is holding the gun. If he can just force the gun into a holster, who is to say that he won't forget to put the safety on which could result in the same thing.

There's that local fellow that shot himself in the leg like... a week ago?? your turn...

(LEO at the range shot himself while drawing, maybe holstering, his weapon - I mention LEO because he would obviously have experience drawing his weapon)

And here's an example of how not having a safety can cause an AD:

 

[andrew3081]

There's that local fellow that shot himself in the leg like... a week ago?? your turn...

(LEO at the range shot himself while drawing, maybe holstering, his weapon - I mention LEO because he would obviously have experience drawing his weapon)

And here's an example of how not having a safety can cause an AD:

Do you actually think all AD are reported?
Only the one that caused injuries would be reported or on the news.

 

[XSlor]

If you google it.. most AD/UD involving a holster are guns without the idiot proof safety... You can't have an AD/UD with those guns because there's a physical block between the pin and hammer... That's why it's called an accidental discharge... because it's an accident... I'm really glad though that everyone here has Rambo gun skills!

Example:

Safety On:

Safety Off:

 

[VanMan]

Try a Grand Power K100 or X-Calibur if you get a chance. They have 4 interchangeable back-straps that may make the grip fit better for your wife, and they are easy to change if you are sharing one gun. It's a polymer frame with a steel sub-frame and slide so it's lighter than a CZ Shadow. But because it uses a rotating barrel lockup design, I've found the recoil is softer than my CZ Shadow. Single & double action trigger is great too, and it does have an external safety (never really use it though).

 

[JayCarver]

Don't IPSC competitors with SA pistols use their safeties prior to holstering before a stage of the event?

If it has one, yes.

 

[shawn]

There's that local fellow that shot himself in the leg like... a week ago?? your turn...

My turn to what?

Post up a single event and proclaim it to be proof that gun without manual safeties are "more" safe.

Yeah negligent discharges never happen with guns with safeties LOL

https://www.google.com/search?q=1911+ad&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#safe=off&q=1911+accidental+discharge+
https://www.google.com/search?q=1911+ad&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#safe=off&q=barreta+accidental+discharge+
https://www.google.com/search?q=1911+ad&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#safe=off&q=ruger+p+accidental+discharge+

Shawn

 

[wasrupzuk]

To the OP;
CZ85

 

[XSlor]

My turn to what?

Post up a single event and proclaim it to be proof that gun without manual safeties are "more" safe.

Yeah negligent discharges never happen with guns with safeties LOL

https://www.google.com/search?q=1911+ad&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#safe=off&q=1911+accidental+discharge+
https://www.google.com/search?q=1911+ad&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#safe=off&q=barreta+accidental+discharge+
https://www.google.com/search?q=1911+ad&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#safe=off&q=ruger+p+accidental+discharge+

Shawn

Nice Shawn. You've proven you can't spell Beretta... you've actually shown nothing... and apparently your reading skillz are lacking... since I was talking about idiot proof safeties and holsters.

But anyways... you're super smart Shawn. You win the debate. Your Glock is just as safe as my 5906. You're amazing. Good job.

As for OP, go with your gut instinct! You've received a nice list of guns that have the safety you are looking for.

 

[Rackem87]

If you google it.. most AD/UD involving a holster are guns without the idiot proof safety... You can't have an AD/UD with those guns because there's a physical block between the pin and hammer... That's why it's called an accidental discharge... because it's an accident... I'm really glad though that everyone here has Rambo gun skills!

Example:

Safety On:

Safety Off:

Of course non safety Guns make up for the majority of AD's. That's because almost all the Leo's and competitors use them. You'd have to find out how many people use safeties and how many do not.

Also a gun like in your picture if dropped can still be fired when the safety is off. That cannot happen in most DA/SA and Striker Fired pistols. They have firing pin blocks that can only be removed by the pull of the trigger. So In my opinion they are both safer in their own respects.

IMO, Safe action are safer from drops and sich, and safeties are maybe better for reholstering negligent discharges. But why is anyone ever in a hurry to reholster? And if the holster really worries you that much why not do it Israeli style?

 

[shawn]

Nice Shawn. You've proven you can't spell Beretta... you've actually shown nothing... and apparently your reading skillz are lacking... since I was talking about idiot proof safeties and holsters.

But anyways... you're super smart Shawn. You win the debate. Your Glock is just as safe as my 5906. You're amazing. Good job.

As for OP, go with your gut instinct! You've received a nice list of guns that have the safety you are looking for.

Typical of your BS, you cant support it so you name call

GG

Shawn

 

[XSlor]

Typical of your BS, you cant support it so you name call

GG

Shawn

I'm sorry Shawn if I hurt your feelings.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LE32Riyugg

IMO, Safe action are safer from drops and sich, and safeties are maybe better for reholstering negligent discharges. But why is anyone ever in a hurry to reholster? And if the holster really worries you that much why not do it Israeli style?

I'm not worried... I'm just saying that it's safer, which they are. Especially for new shooters, no? This is a new shooter looking for something with proper safety for his wife who plans on carrying at the range...