What 9mm with a real safety to get
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Baxtercharlie
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Get a flintlock, the safety is in the loading time
While I agree with the sentiment that manual safeties aren't necessary with diligent practice, I also agree that if the OP wants a pistol with a manual safety; it's ultimately his choice. I have pistols with and without manual safeties; I like variety and want to be versatile. If the firearm has a manual safety, I use it as intended.
How do you figure they're always more experienced? LEOs only have to requalify once a year, many of whom (especially in Canada) hadn't even handled a firearm prior to a three week crash course during initial training. They don't exactly represent the gold standard when it comes to training, practice and safe gun handling.
There's that local fellow that shot himself in the leg like... a week ago??your turn...
(LEO at the range shot himself while drawing, maybe holstering, his weapon - I mention LEO because he would obviously have experience drawing his weapon)
And here's an example of how not having a safety can cause an AD:
How do you figure they're always more experienced? LEOs only have to requalify once a year, many of whom (especially in Canada) hadn't even handled a firearm prior to a three week crash course during initial training. They don't exactly represent the gold standard when it comes to training, practice and safe gun handling.
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Or maybe it's been a year since he did last. My point is LEOs shouldn't be held with some kind of reverence when it comes to firearms; their training is very basic, their practices cater to the lowest common denominator and there is very little requirement to maintain proficiency.
Not sure what LEO training you are specifically referring to, but the initial training I did, as well as my yearly requalifications are not what I could consider very basic, nor would I say the requirement to maintain proficiency not there either. Do they hold you to top-level IPSC shooting standards? No, because that doesn't pertain to the enviroment that LEOs work in.
I certainly beleive if time and budgets would allow more range time it would be beneficial, with that said I can personally state I am confident in the people I work with who have gone through the same training as I are capable of utilizing these firearms accurately and safely. There is always room for improvement, however there does come a point in which diminishable returns have to be taken into consideration.
What an ignorant statement.
No mechanical safety is fool-proof. You could forget to engage it, you could accidentally disengage it...there are many possibilities. The real safety is between your ears. The fact of the matter is that an SA/DA gun like Sig P226 is impossible to discharge unless you are very intentionally squeezing the trigger. Now Glocks and similar striker-fired guns are a different matter.
ns_redneck
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check out the beretta 92 fs. i have the girsan copy it's got a good safety on it.
My buddy with the OPP carries a P229, I showed him a P226 and he didn't have a clue what it is, and had never even seen a S&W 686, he does his re-qualification once a year (in a gravel pit I think), and that's his extent of firearms knowledge.
I have another friend on the London police force (actually just retired) that can shoot the stinger off a bee at 50 yards, and even designed their "stress test" at the indoor range. I think it really depends on what each LEO's interests and focus is, so is it fair to say that some are really knowledgeable, and some simply have almost no clue when it comes to firearms?
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Absolutely correct!
Firearms are part of the tools of the trade for some and are a passion and interest for others. I just hope that, heaven forbid, if I ever need a cop to save me, I would much prefer the guy who "can shoot the stinger off a bee at 50yards" to show up!!
Amen to that! The sad reality though, is that, in Canada, most of the cops don't even want to take the firearm with them after work even given the option. So, it's just a job to the most, like in many other trades, even though it shouldn't be.
CGN again covers itself with glory:
The OP states right up front that he and his wife are new to pistols. CGN tells him "Try not to hurt yourself", and when he expresses surprise that most here don't use a safety, he gets told "what an ignorant statement".
Again, he did say right up front that he's new to this…
The OP states right up front that he and his wife are new to pistols. CGN tells him "Try not to hurt yourself", and when he expresses surprise that most here don't use a safety, he gets told "what an ignorant statement".
Again, he did say right up front that he's new to this…
Agree with stevebc, these things hit a nerve, it's almost like if someone wants to do something that you don't do, it's automatically wrong. I think the bottom line is that we all want to be safe, but that means different things to each person, they are entitled to their view and it may change as they get more experience. If I was this couple and new to handguns, I would just buy a CZ SP01, of my 15 handguns, it's my favourite, most accurate, and it has the ambi safety.
Shooting 50 rounds once a year is minimal maintenance of skills. Having a three week crash course in pistol handling and shooting from distances between 3 and 25 metres is basic; not all that different from many recreational shooters partake in on a more regular basis. Can you honestly say that the point of diminishing returns has been reached with those criteria? LOL.
If that is all you beleive there is to it for all agency's then you have been misinformed. Before I go into it more though I want to know - what do you consider an "advanced" course? Please be specific on what you think they should be doing, I'm genuinely curious.
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So post it up detail for us what your last qualification was and how long it was since the last one.
Sorry but you are not the only one in this thread or CGN that has done it.
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