Hunter Orange Necessary?
- Thread starter tnsaf
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Well they are still saying 7X in 2013
Sorry But it seems only the US spent any money on this for studies
AND Alberta is nothing like where we hunt
Cheers
The Daily Star Nov 27th 2013
When a 52-year-old firefighter from Long Island was shot and killed by a companion last week while hunting in Otsego County, it was — first and foremost — a tragedy.
Was it a preventable tragedy?
On certain levels, almost certainly.
On the one hand, the person who shot Charles Bruce in woods adjacent to Steve Braun Road in the town of Westford should have been more careful. With hunting comes the responsibility of being certain what you are shooting at and what may be behind it.
On Tuesday, Otsego County District Attorney John Muehl told this newspaper that he will seek a grand jury indictment based on what he termed the carelessness of the shooter, who has yet to be identified by authorities.
We also can’t help but wonder if Mr. Bruce would be alive today if he had been wearing orange clothing.
For reasons we cannot fathom, there are many hunters in our area who refuse to wear orange, and that is just stupidly, stubbornly inviting more tragedies.
In a story we ran before the start of hunting season, we noted that although New York state law does not require hunters to wear bright orange, studies revealed that hunters wearing blaze orange are seven times less likely to be injured than hunters who aren’t.
Wearing orange will not prevent you from shooting a deer. Deer are colorblind, and can only see shades of gray and blue.
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- WMU247 near Edmonton
so perhaps stats are not transferable from east to west. I guess stats from Idaho, and Montana would be more applicable to Alberta
the NY stats might be similar to NB / Southren Ontario and parts of Quebec.
I would say for sure. It is night and day as far as hunter density and the type of terrain from where we hunt to Alberta
Any way WTF is wrong with hunters orange
If you are hunting in New York where hunter densities are extremely high, and hunters see far fewer deer, and the average deer harvested is only 1-1/2 years old, I can understand hunters being much more anxious to not miss an opportunity to harvest an animal. As such I believe that many of those hunters would be more likely to shoot first, and verify the target afterward, than a hunter that hunts with much less competition, sees far more animals, and that is more likely to wait for a mature animal, before pulling the trigger. Once again, I very much appreciate that I hunt in Western Canada, where I don't feel that I need to wear orange to keep from being shot by some idiot that shoots without positively identifying his target.
Glock4ever
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- Edmonton, AB
Interestingly enough MB mandates Hunter's Orange and it has a lower population density than Alberta or Ontario. I didn't feel any more safer with Hunter's Orange on in MB than without in Alberta but the law is the law. That being said, there was no caliber restriction in MB and there is one in AB so I guess regulations can be pretty arbitrary...
Why??? Would you prefer to be mistaken for a bear??
Hunters orange gives an extra little chance that someone will notice you before shooting.
If some points their gun at you and uses their scope to see who you are like another poster said happened, then those people should be banned for life from ever owning a firearm. A gun is only pointed at a living thing if you intend to kill it.
Hunters orange gives an extra little chance that someone will notice you before shooting.
If some points their gun at you and uses their scope to see who you are like another poster said happened, then those people should be banned for life from ever owning a firearm. A gun is only pointed at a living thing if you intend to kill it.
The people that use their riflescopes as binoculars are a special kind of stupid, so stupid, that even if they were forced to carry binoculars, they wouldn't use them anyways. Most of these idiots would simply purchase the smallest , cheapest garbage binoculars that they could find, and carry them in a pack or somewhere else out of the way. These people seem to be a sub form of humans that use about half the amount of brain cells that the rest of us use, and the only way to protect the public from them, is to prohibit them from possessing firearms. The problem is, that unless the idiot actually shoots someone, it's almost impossible to prove that he was intentionally pointing his firearm at someone. And even if he does shoot someone, the courts go soft on him because " it was just an accident". If the courts were to charge the person with manslaughter or even criminal negligence causing death, and sentence him to a few years if convicted, as well as a lifetime firearms ban, it might actually get the message across to some of these idiots. However, even that will not prevent some of these idiots from pointing firearms at people, and shooting before they have confirmed the target 100%. Education can help, but it must happen when the person first starts using firearms, before he has developed unsafe habits, if it to rally be effective.
Well, I remember hunting with a guy who was intensely embarrassed by the fact I was sporting binos. I'm afraid he considered I was the fudd. He probably even thought it was unmanly.
Back to orange, it occurs to me that when someone sees a man with a rifle or shotgun nowadays, they call the police. If that person is wearing blaze orange, the police will know it was someone who has no evil intent... even past posts on this forum has shown that they are still required to respond. But to go positive again, orange might prevent such a call in the first place.
I consider Binoculars to be an absolutely essential part of my gear when hunting.
I use them constantly, and would never point my rifle at anything that I had not already identified as a game animal with the Binocs.
I have caught sight of "slobs" looking in my direction through the scope of their rifle, and it absolutely incenses me.
One I managed to sneak around and take to task. He got a piece of my mind, for certain.
Regards, Dave.
I use them constantly, and would never point my rifle at anything that I had not already identified as a game animal with the Binocs.
I have caught sight of "slobs" looking in my direction through the scope of their rifle, and it absolutely incenses me.
One I managed to sneak around and take to task. He got a piece of my mind, for certain.
Regards, Dave.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Again, things appear to be very, very different out West.
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oh binos.... I don't use them.
If I can't see that its an animal then its too far to shoot anyways.
but I do have excellent eyesight genetically blessed, I can read the second from the bottom line on the eyechart.
if you can't tell what something is then you need to get closer, thats just part of hunting, the stalking part.
3 years ago I ended up stalking up on 3 quaders all dressed in black having a rest stop in some thick bush. I just saw some black things moving around so I got closer, never even bothered to load my rifle it just stayed slung over my sholder.
now I know that others will find my hunting methods strange.
I've been told of camps where no slings are allowed you have to be ready to shoot and a slung rifle is not ready, and you need to have your rifle loaded and safety on and be ready.
me well the mag is normally loaded and often in my pocket.
I've stalked up and taken pictures of deer before I shot them.
I've had animals wander off into thick bush while I think about shooting them, and I've gone home with unfilled tags.
Last year was a poor year, I only filled 2 of my 6 tags, but I'm still eating moose, I ran out of deer about a month ago.
so to each their own, I try not to tell people how they need to hunt or what is right and what is wrong, unless they are dangerous.
If I can't see that its an animal then its too far to shoot anyways.
but I do have excellent eyesight
genetically blessed, I can read the second from the bottom line on the eyechart. if you can't tell what something is then you need to get closer, thats just part of hunting, the stalking part.
3 years ago I ended up stalking up on 3 quaders all dressed in black having a rest stop in some thick bush. I just saw some black things moving around so I got closer, never even bothered to load my rifle it just stayed slung over my sholder.
now I know that others will find my hunting methods strange.
I've been told of camps where no slings are allowed you have to be ready to shoot and a slung rifle is not ready, and you need to have your rifle loaded and safety on and be ready.
me well the mag is normally loaded and often in my pocket.
I've stalked up and taken pictures of deer before I shot them.
I've had animals wander off into thick bush while I think about shooting them, and I've gone home with unfilled tags.
Last year was a poor year, I only filled 2 of my 6 tags, but I'm still eating moose, I ran out of deer about a month ago.
so to each their own, I try not to tell people how they need to hunt or what is right and what is wrong, unless they are dangerous.
We won't see Orange in BC. We got polled years ago and hunters all said NO!
There are very few mistaken identity shootings in BC. They dropped off dramatically when Hunter Ed courses were introduced.
The last guy that got shot in BC that I recall was driving a red ATV and was mistaken for a bison. Dressing like a pumpkin would not have helped this hunter.
There are very few mistaken identity shootings in BC. They dropped off dramatically when Hunter Ed courses were introduced.
The last guy that got shot in BC that I recall was driving a red ATV and was mistaken for a bison. Dressing like a pumpkin would not have helped this hunter.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
oh binos.... I don't use them.
If I can't see that its an animal then its too far to shoot anyways.
but I do have excellent eyesight
if you can't tell what something is then you need to get closer, thats just part of hunting, the stalking part.
3 years ago I ended up stalking up on 3 quaders all dressed in black having a rest stop in some thick bush. I just saw some black things moving around so I got closer, never even bothered to load my rifle it just stayed slung over my sholder.
now I know that others will find my hunting methods strange.
I've been told of camps where no slings are allowed you have to be ready to shoot and a slung rifle is not ready, and you need to have your rifle loaded and safety on and be ready.
me well the mag is normally loaded and often in my pocket.
I've stalked up and taken pictures of deer before I shot them.
I've had animals wander off into thick bush while I think about shooting them, and I've gone home with unfilled tags.
Last year was a poor year, I only filled 2 of my 6 tags, but I'm still eating moose, I ran out of deer about a month ago.
so to each their own, I try not to tell people how they need to hunt or what is right and what is wrong, unless they are dangerous.
And I can still read the bottom line, 20/10 or better- hence my chosen professions I like to think. I use and carry binos religiously, they're the most important piece of hunting gear I own aside from the rifle and, well, pants. Things get iffy legally without pants, regardless the sport. And preferably not bright orange pants.
It does strike me the more trophy hunting (a word and term past its usefulness, it's been bastardized into misunderstanding even amongst hunters, it should be called the Selective / Mature / Specimen approach) oriented provinces and territories seem to have less incidents than the more generic meat hunting areas. BC has huge numbers of hunters, both resident and non, and all but no issues despite not having orange. It is quite clearly an education and hunting culture issue.
Reminds me of reading about a guy in the states who did all his state's game with a recurve bow, including mountain goat. He wore a white tyvek jumpsuit complete with fake horns, rifle is open the same time as bow there as it's a straight low odds draw. Was he worried about getting shot? No, he didn't put BIG horns on his head.
Glock4ever
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Edmonton, AB
oh binos.... I don't use them.
If I can't see that its an animal then its too far to shoot anyways.
but I do have excellent eyesight
if you can't tell what something is then you need to get closer, thats just part of hunting, the stalking part.
3 years ago I ended up stalking up on 3 quaders all dressed in black having a rest stop in some thick bush. I just saw some black things moving around so I got closer, never even bothered to load my rifle it just stayed slung over my sholder.
now I know that others will find my hunting methods strange.
I've been told of camps where no slings are allowed you have to be ready to shoot and a slung rifle is not ready, and you need to have your rifle loaded and safety on and be ready.
me well the mag is normally loaded and often in my pocket.
I've stalked up and taken pictures of deer before I shot them.
I've had animals wander off into thick bush while I think about shooting them, and I've gone home with unfilled tags.
Last year was a poor year, I only filled 2 of my 6 tags, but I'm still eating moose, I ran out of deer about a month ago.
so to each their own, I try not to tell people how they need to hunt or what is right and what is wrong, unless they are dangerous.
I don't know that I find your hunting style all that strange. Most of the guys I hunt with rarely have the rifle at the ready unless they are in the close/final stalk on an animal. A lot of times it is just sitting with the rifle on the pack and a lot of glassing. I use optics (spotting scope and two different pair of binos - Geovids and ultralight Nikons) to confirm the animal's ###, age and range but a lot of times I just use the naked eyes. That being said I had to change my hunting style from N Alberta to the S Alberta style - more spot and stalk down here as opposed to the ambush/still hunting styles up North. I would think that the only hunter that is always carrying their rifle "ready" to shoot is looking to shoot the first legal animal they find. I am by no means a trophy hunter but I am still very selective about what I shoot.
