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[The Wizard]

Check out this Forgotten Weapons video on the Reising:

Marilyn had VERY nice pins...

One doesn't often see the Reising SMG in use...

Is good for Comrades, also:

 

[Sharps '63]

I see a mix of M97's and M12's.

 

[MarkCNP]

I see a mix of M97's and M12's.

Yeah, it's a mix; it's hard to find good pictures of shotguns in action

 

[Sharps '63]

Some pics came out of the Viet Nam War showing GIs smoking some potent Asian weed out of their shotguns. Not exactly the intended use ....

 

[Dark Alley Dan]

These pictures?

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Remington should put together a TV ad using this footage. "Remington - bringing comfort to Our American Fighting Men since 1968..."

 

[Sharps '63]

I know Americans who still think they won the Viet Nam War. If that was a victory, I'd hate to see how they define defeat.

In fact, it was a war in which the US Army lost it's soul and it's honour.

 

[Chuck3436]

I know Americans who still think they won the Viet Nam War. If that was a victory, I'd hate to see how they define defeat.

In fact, it was a war in which the US Army lost it's soul and it's honour.

2 things I always hear about Vietnam by hardliners...

A) It wasn't really a war, it was just a limited police action so they couldn't devote full force to winning....

B) We killed so many more of them anyways, so we won.




A) Load of hogwash, the bombs alone dropped on that country outnumbered all bombs dropped in ww2, even resorting to biological warfare. Conscription alone tells you that they were willing to force their sons into a war they wanted to win. Why force soldiers to fight for a war you don't care about? Also, implies that the politicians at the time wanted to be known as the first to lose an American war. Unlikely.

B) I laugh at this one. If this was the case, the Germans not only soundly won ww2 but you could throw ww1 in there as well!

 

[Donny Fenn1]

I know Americans who still think they won the Viet Nam War. If that was a victory, I'd hate to see how they define defeat.

In fact, it was a war in which the US Army lost it's soul and it's honour.

probably the same way they define all their "victories" since Korea, can any of the wars since WWII be considered victories for the US?

 

[koldt]

probably the same way they define all their "victories" since Korea, can any of the wars since WWII be considered victories for the US?

Don't they think the same way about the War of 1812?

'Merica

 

[Dark Alley Dan]

Speaking of Vietnam (and shifting back to WW2) one old bird that served in both wars was the A (later "B") 26 Invader. Here's a pic of the XA-26 prototype.

And 25 years later and much reworked, the B-26K Counterinvader, hauling bombs equivalent in mass to half the damned planet:

Back to WW2 - feeding the business end on a cold day:

 

[MarkCNP]

 

[gewehr76]

Each war for US is just a test for technology and weapons production. Weather they win or loose its irrelevant as long as more weapons made and developed then better it is for the economy which keeps tax payers employed. Politicians keep wars happening so us economy can grow and evolve. Each time US embroils in to conflict its cha ching for multi billion corporations that manufacture planes, bombs and all other prohib stuff that we can't have.
So win or loose bad or good its all for money making.

probably the same way they define all their "victories" since Korea, can any of the wars since WWII be considered victories for the US?

 

[screwtape]

Speaking of Vietnam (and shifting back to WW2) one old bird that served in both wars was the A (later "B") 26 Invader. Here's a pic of the XA-26 prototype.

And 25 years later and much reworked, the B-26K Counterinvader, hauling bombs equivalent in mass to half the damned planet:

Back to WW2 - feeding the business end on a cold day:

Is that EIGHT .50 cals the K version has in its nose for spraying enemy positions? If so, that's quite the sneeze that plane has...

 

[Dark Alley Dan]

From what I've read, they had either six or eight-gun noses installed. The K model had 8, plus very uprated engines and many improvements over the stock A26. They were very serious airplanes.

The Germans never really got into that sort of thing. There were, of course, some attempts - the JU 87 with the twin 37 MM cannons,

the HS 129 with the 75,

the ME 262 with quad 30's (pretty mean!)

but most of their stuff was along the lines of this lovely FW 200 with a biggish gun in the gondola under the nose:

 

[Shane111]

Don't forget this beast with a 50mm cannon

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[grelmar]

Don't forget this beast with a 50mm cannon

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Would that qualify as an air-brake? Always remember to check your cross strap buckle before pulling the trigger, lest you end up kissing the console.

 

[XRCD011]

Watched a TV show where they where interviewing pilots of ground strafing P47s and they said the firing of all the guns dropped the airspeed down by 15+ knots, and that happened when you wanted every knot possible to get away from the folks they had just been shooting at.

 

[Cdn303]

^I also watch one where they said they would shoot at enemy armour to try and have the bullets ricochet off the ground up underneath into the thinner belly armour.

Well there's your problem!

 

[MarkCNP]

 

[scott585]

From what I've read, they had either six or eight-gun noses installed. The K model had 8, plus very uprated engines and many improvements over the stock A26. They were very serious airplanes.

the 4x 20mm + 4x .303s on the mossie was better, having all the guns in the nose makes for a much better "cone of death" in that you can set the guns to converge at 2000 yards and they will be on an airplane sized target all the way from 0 to beyond maximum range. if the guns are in the wings they are spread out, so if they converge far away, only half will hit up close and if they converge too close they will not hit far away because they will have spread too far