300 wm vs 300 wby

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I'm sure this topic has been covered before, but lets give it a go. I am looking for a 300 winchester or weatherby. Does one have a advantage over the other? I reload so i wont be buying ammo. I was set on a browning x-bolt in 300 win mag but then the 300 weatherby peaked my interest. And info would be greatly appreciated.
 
The Weatherby is a member of the "Fast thirty" club, sort of a charter member in fact. It is pretty much a thumper, and delivers maybe a couple of hundred FPS more velocity and will reach a bit further if that stuff is your thing. On the other hand, The Win is no slouch. Pay your money and take your choice.
 
There is no replacement for displacement.

The Weatherby has more. If you need more (and "need" or just "want" is the only real question) then the Weatherby is the winner. It's a small margin, but there is no denying it is there. The Win. Mag is everywhere, however, and that may matter more than the Weatherby margin. It's a close call, and it is entirely yours.
 
I've owned both and like both. I used to be of the view that the extra given by the .300 Wby is not worthwhile, but at the end of the day I might get another Wby just because.
 
The Weatherby is a member of the "Fast thirty" club, sort of a charter member in fact. It is pretty much a thumper, and delivers maybe a couple of hundred FPS more velocity and will reach a bit further if that stuff is your thing. On the other hand, The Win is no slouch. Pay your money and take your choice.
X2 on the above. I have both and I love my Roy. There is no denying it I like purty shooters and the Roy takes the cake.
 
If it was to have high grade wood and gloss finish with rich deep bluing I'd go weatherby. If it's a hunting gun that will see harsh use then it doesn't really matter. The weatherby is faster and hits harder. Will an animal ever know the Difference ? I doubt it
To me it comes down to this...Will the confidence of knowing you have a Lil more punch push you into taking a shot you might not ordinarily take? If so I'd say go 300 win. But that's just me
 
I've got both, and the WSM and RUM too. As painful as it is for a full blown gunnut on a typical hunting day, practically anywhere and for any species that a fast .30 cal is suitable it probably wont make a bit of difference. That's not to say that that there isn't any differences, its just that most of them don't matter most of the time.

The WSM is on the low end of the scale, and I'm happier when I think of mine as a radically over-performing .308 Win than a magnum that doesn't measure up. I like the short throat and that I can reach the lands with any bullet I've tried and still have a magazine. Its easier to get a rifle shooting on average when the lands are in reach, and that can make the difference between using the bullet you want instead of your second or third choice. Will that make a difference on whether your tag gets filled? Probably not. Recoil is noticeably less than the others, and depending on where you draw the line that might matter.

The .300 Win is the standard, like it or not. Ammo can be found anywhere ammo is sold, and in handloaded form it will give the .300 Weatherby a run for its money. It has a long history as a successful target cartridge. Its at its best in a 3.60ish mag box, which enables most bullets to reach the lands, and perhaps more importantly will eliminate the problem bullets that won't work with the case's short neck and the mag length. To me, a manufacturer using a short mag box on a .300 Win, 7mm Rem etc needs a kick in the nuts. Why take away a handloader's options for no benefit to anyone? Recoil is a step up, and frankly is too much for most casual shooters.

The .300 Weatherby predates the .300 Win by almost 20 years. By rights it should be worth a bit more speed over the Win and you might even get it. The long free-bore may decide what bullets you hunt with for you, but with Hornady Interlocks, Nosler Partitions and TSXs on the safe bet (and factory ammo list) that might not make any difference for hunting even out to some longish ranges. If VLD style are in your plans you better realize that the chances of them shooting takes a sharp drop. You are required by law to say "Nuttin hits harder, etc" which is either a plus or a minus depending on your point of view. Recoil take s a sharp turn upwards from the WIN, which may or may matter. Whether that matters to you or not is for you to decide but it is there. You're going to be maxed on the mag box, no real room for experimenting there.

The RUM is a bit more of everything than the Weatherby, minus the belt. More powder, more recoil, more velocity and more noise. It works too. Mine has a 3.800 box, which gets it to the lands. Most get a long jump.
 
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Of the two cartridges, the 300 Winchester Magnum and the .300 Weatherby Magnum there is little difference in performance with a 24 inch or shorter barrel. The .300 Weatherby has a slight edge in 26 inch barrels as far as velocity is concerned. Both are excellent .30 caliber magnums. Choose the rifle you like, with either cartridge. The older (Made in Germany) Weatherby rifles have terribly long throats. The long free bore stopped with the Japanese manufacturing. Modern Weatherby rifles have normal throats and old loading data should not be used.

The bigger the case the longer the barrel needs to be...
 
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"The .300 Win is the standard, like it or not. Ammo can be found anywhere ammo is sold, and in handloaded form it will give the .300 Weatherby a run for its money. It has a long history as a successful target cartridge. Its at its best in a 3.60ish mag box, which enables most bullets to reach the lands, and perhaps more importantly will eliminate the problem bullets that won't work with the case's short neck and the mag length. To me, a manufacturer using a short mag box on a .300 Win, 7mm Rem etc needs a kick in the nuts. Why take away a handloader's options for no benefit to anyone? Recoil is a step up, and frankly is too much for most casual shooters.
The .300 Weatherby predates the .300 Win by almost 20 years. By rights it should be worth a bit more speed over the Win and you might even get it. The long free-bore may decide what bullets you hunt with for you, but with Hornady Interlocks, Nosler Partitions and TSXs on the safe bet (and factory ammo list) that might not make any difference for hunting even out to some longish ranges. If VLD style are in your plans you better realize that the chances of them shooting takes a sharp drop. You are required by law to say "Nuttin hits harder, etc" which is either a plus or a minus depending on your point of view. Recoil take s a sharp turn upwards from the WIN, which may or may matter."

A point that should not to be overlooked, not everyone can shoot either well. Lots of people can and do shoot either, but a lot fewer can shoot them well in a hunting weight rifle. A 7mm rem mag is significantly easier to shoot, from a recoil perspective, just one of the reasons they have been popular for a few decades.
 
Two points I always considered in this type is decision, WBY extra powder and recoil with diminishing returns, Win Mag has won many more competitions.... And why download the WBY to reduce recoil, should have just bought something less "a mans cartridge".

Both will kill the same animal at the same range, with the same effect with the same bullet. One just does it more efficiently and accurately.

Custom barrels not considered here....
 
I think attempting to make the case that the .300 Weatherby is any less accurate than the .300 Winchester, is pointless. Given similar rifles, and bullets, with equally talented marksmen, shooting under a variety of conditions, you would be unable to determine which cartridge made which group. In open country, higher velocity with any given bullet is usually considered beneficial, in that errors in range estimation and wind drift are then less critical; the flip side is that the overbore capacity of what amounts to a small bore is such that to optimize velocity, barrels must be quite long. When barrels are shorter than 24" the .300 Weatherby has little advantage, but with a barrel longer than 26" the rifle is a drag to carry around.
 
If you want top performance in a .308 diameter bullet and are not recoil sensitive, don't mind a longer(26in.) barrel and slightly heavier gun, get the .300 Weatherby. One will do anything the other will do the Weatherby just hits a little harder, shoots a little flatter and kicks a little harder. My 2 cents.
 
I have hunted extensively with both cartridges and taken dozens of game animals with both, so here's my reasons for settling on the 300 Wby in the end.

1) If you can shoot the 300 WM well without undue stress or flinching, you can shoot the Wby just as well, the difference in the felt recoil in identical guns is negligible. The 300 RUM which I have also used a fair bit is significantly more however.

2) I found the 300 WM with 180 Parts to be a little short on penetration when the angles are, shall we say less than optimum, on large bodied tough animals like kudu or elk. I found the 300 Wby would equal the velocity and trajectory of the 300 WM 180 gn load I was using and would do it with 200 gn Parts or the new 200 gn ABs I use, and would penetrate significantly more, which is what I wanted.

3) My 300 Wby has a 24" barrel and it still has a 200 fps edge on the identical 300 WM, but what is more important to me is what I stated in the above point, 200s at the same velocity as 180s from the WM.

4) Accuracy of the 2 cartridges is far more dependent on individual rifles and barrels than any inherent accuracy advantage which could be attributed to either cartridge. Both will shoot sub MOA groups in a good, well tuned rifle, which has always proven more than adequate for my hunting needs.

In conclusion, all my work with these 2 cartridges was pre homogenous copper bullets, so my penetration "wants" were much more dependent on sectional density in those days. Given new tougher and deeper penetrating bullets today, my primary reason for going to the Wby may not hold as much advantage as it did then...........However I have not totally succumb to the homogenous bullet "Koolaid" and still prefer my Parts and ABs and yes I have used TSXs and TTSXs with varying degrees of success and failure.
I love my 30 cal magnums whether it be the Win mag, the Wby mag or the RUM and find them to be greatly superior killers than the 7 mags I used previous. One thing I have found in my 45 years as a trophy and local hunter is that game does not always present one with the optimum shot angle or inside 200 mtrs and sometimes the outcome of a very expensive hunt hinges on that one shot. I will take every advantage I can get to make the outcome of that one shot as successful as I can and I find the 300 Wby gives me just a little more advantage in range and terminal ballistics using 200 gn bullets.
Some people say there is no practical difference between these cartridges and for 99% of shots taken on game this is no doubt absolutely true, however I find at least some of my shots on game to fall into that last 1% so I choose to use the Wby.

Although you did not ask about the RUM I'll state my findings here anyway as I did a lot of work with this cartridge years before it was introduced as the RUM or even the Imperial Magnum. It is no doubt superior to both the WM and the Wby mag in both exterior and terminal ballistics, however it is not without a price tag. This cartridge needs a 26" barrel to truly make use of it's expansion ratio and the recoil is significantly higher, to the point of being unpleasant even for seasoned big bore shooters. As velocity and bullet weight go up the recoil does not go up linear, as powder weight, velocity and bullet weight all factor into recoil. Time of recoil has as much to do with felt recoil as the actual energy of "equal and opposite reaction", so to put this differently and in easily understood terms, the RUM when loaded to it's maximum with 200 gn bullets has slightly more muzzle energy than a 458 WM and therefore has roughly the same recoil energy, BUT, this recoil energy is delivered to the shoulder in 1/2 the time frame of the 458, making it much more violent and painful to shoot.........this is just physics gentlemen.
 
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Great post Douglas as always from you.
I began my 300 magnum experience with a 721 Remington in 300 H&H and have never regretted it.
However at some point in time I decided that I had to have a 300 Win. Mag and also a 300 Weatherby, no complaints regarding either and both shot noticeably flatter.
However, both were unable to equal the pin point accuracy of the old H&H and eventually I parted company with both and reached into the back of the safe for the old 721.
If I had to choose between the Win. Mag. and the Weatherby without regard for the H&H, I would choose the Weatherby hands down, it shoots flat enough to make long accurate shots easily.
For a handloader the Weatherby opens up a whole new world of experimenting and brass can be easily formed from the H&H which is the original parent case.
 
I'm sure this topic has been covered before, but lets give it a go. I am looking for a 300 winchester or weatherby. Does one have a advantage over the other?

NOTHING SHOOTS FLATTER, HITS HARDER OR IS MORE ACCURATE.™

*That phrase has been part of the Weatherby® brand promise for nearly two decades. More than words on paper, they represent the confidence and field-proven performance you need to squeeze off the shot that will result in a lifetime of memories. Compare the performance of a Weatherby Mark V® or Vanguard® rifle and ammunition to any other combination. Compare speed. Compare knockdown power. Compare out-of-the-box accuracy. Head to head, you’ll find that “nothing shoots flatter, hits harder or is more accurate.”

Do you wanna sit around the campfire and discuss this or the computer keyboard for that matter?
Simply put it has been and still is 70 years later a marketing scheme to part ones hard earned money from ones hands.
There is some merrit to what Roy Weatherby created back then, but with todays technology there are many choices.
That my friend is completely up to you.
Sit around the campfire/computer or get out in the field and enjoy the art and skill of hunting with what you got in your hands?
Just being a smartazz and nothing more, I love smell of burnt gun powder from a Wby cartridge.
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
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