.45 vs 9mm - The debate is over, say the Experts
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And this sums up why these 9 vs 45 arguments never go anywhere. Basically either will do the job just point straight and squeeze the trigger. Some days I feel like 9 and some 45 along with a sprinkling of 38spl and 40 for variety. If you want to be sure a 155 howitzer works best of all as a stopping round. In this case close is definitely good enough.
Based on that 9mm wins doesn't it? If both rounds work the same then 7-10 vs 15-18 wins by my logic
Don't forget less recoil means faster and easier follow up shots, it also means less wear and tear so less investment in parts. With those kind of savings and the lower cost to operate a 9mm(ammo costs) the answer is very clear.
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That's not logic. When you consider that the vast majority of fire fights are over in the first one or two shots it all comes down to who hits first ... And if you can't shoot a 45 you probably can't shoot a 9 either...
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Forum: Pistols and Revolvers
Forum for the eternal conflict between the 9 and the 45
This thread is exactly the reason for the sub-forum's existence. Carry-on please.
Forum for the eternal conflict between the 9 and the 45
This thread is exactly the reason for the sub-forum's existence. Carry-on please.
What you feel and what actually happens are very different. Your perception is yours, what actually happens can be measured, tracked, and duplicated with science..
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r34skyline
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Have you shot a 9mm 1911 to compare it to?
Where are you getting those numbers?
Bigfoot 870
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Guns and ammo can be scientifically compared. The individuals doing the shooting, not so much. Confidence in your abilities will mean a lot.
abbynormal
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This ^^^^
As someone else pointed out, with our mag caps in Canada - I'm gonna stay in the .40 and .45 camps.
Abby
Disclaimer: This argument is pertinent only to legal jurisdictions that respect the basic human right to self-defence. It is completely irrelevant to Canada and none of the following advocates violating any Canadian laws. It is only relevant to other legal jurisdictions.
The capacity difference may come into play for an LEO, but for your typical person carrying while going to the post office or to pick up your kid from school, you want something that is easy to conceal, light, comfortable to carry and that you can easily pocket if you're feeling too lazy to mess with a holster or are just wearing sweat pants/terry shorts. In general, a sub-compact 9 like a 43 or a Shield will fit that bill. That will also resolve any situations you're likely to come across - like 1-2 guys trying to mug/carjack you and having 7-8rds capacity is more than enough. Even if there are 3-4 guys, those types are chicken and too stupid to count the rounds. They'll see the gun, hear gunshots and bounce.
I just got licensed in a jurisdiction that might just legalize carrying as soon as the voters bounce the socialists out of the parliament (considering the corruption scandals and the fact that the local voters are well informed, I expect for that to happen next election). However, most defensive loads are likely to stay illegal, so going up in calibre and getting a 36 might make sense for me in these parts. Back home, for at least the next 4 years (probably longer as no political party in Canada is interested in fixing our gun laws - the Cons had plenty of time and only gave us a few crumbs), this discussion is as useful as tits on a bull. The only exception are those of us who spend significant amounts of time in other legal jurisdictions.
The capacity difference may come into play for an LEO, but for your typical person carrying while going to the post office or to pick up your kid from school, you want something that is easy to conceal, light, comfortable to carry and that you can easily pocket if you're feeling too lazy to mess with a holster or are just wearing sweat pants/terry shorts. In general, a sub-compact 9 like a 43 or a Shield will fit that bill. That will also resolve any situations you're likely to come across - like 1-2 guys trying to mug/carjack you and having 7-8rds capacity is more than enough. Even if there are 3-4 guys, those types are chicken and too stupid to count the rounds. They'll see the gun, hear gunshots and bounce.
I just got licensed in a jurisdiction that might just legalize carrying as soon as the voters bounce the socialists out of the parliament (considering the corruption scandals and the fact that the local voters are well informed, I expect for that to happen next election). However, most defensive loads are likely to stay illegal, so going up in calibre and getting a 36 might make sense for me in these parts. Back home, for at least the next 4 years (probably longer as no political party in Canada is interested in fixing our gun laws - the Cons had plenty of time and only gave us a few crumbs), this discussion is as useful as tits on a bull. The only exception are those of us who spend significant amounts of time in other legal jurisdictions.
Bigfoot 870
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Do you actually think that no Canadian would defend themselves, because a law is in place?
I was specifically referring to the provision in our law with regards to carrying a pistol, where they are most relevant. For home defence, I'd choose a PCC, a shotty or an SBR, in that order.
Bigfoot 870
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I see, so your post didn't truly apply to the conversation. I'm guessing that some Canadians whom own handguns, might just use them for home defense, regardless of what you might use.
Neither did the original article. It's more carry-oriented. Basically, what those guys are willing to put up with on their hips, all day, every day.
Bigfoot 870
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I agree, that's why I said "conversation". Like I said in a previous comment, I support the LEOs 100%, for whatever the chose, as it's their azz on the line. Thanks for clarifying
I agree, that's why I said "conversation". Like I said in a previous comment, I support the LEOs 100%, for whatever the chose, as it's their azz on the line. Thanks for clarifying
On that note, they are a different beast since they already got a pile of junk on their belts, so it's not a huge difference between a carry gun and a duty gun. That's where the capacity of 9mm comes into play assuming the department doesn't feel like it's bound by the Hague convention lol
Ranger SXT as the joke goes, stands for Same eXact Thing.
It's not so bad. It's a loud POP and then you don't notice the follow up noises! I wouldn't recommend it. My left ear doesn't hear as good as it used to.
Bigfoot 870
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We do have a ten shot mag law, for the given pistol, however, the law does allow one to switch to a different ten shot mag (I.e. So 12 or 13 9mm rounds will fit in a .40 S&W ten shot mag), so as quickly as capacity doesn't apply, whap, it applies
