Southern Alberta Tavor Course: It's Happening!

[FuzziRhyno]

Just wanted to say that I had a blast at the course! Meeting TVPP, Lovie, Yoav and other Tavor owners was awesome! My primary rifle is the Tavor so it was great to be immersed in the “IDF way” for a couple of days with a genuine ex-IDF instructor.

One thing to note about the course is that many of the live fire drills required the use of Beowulf mags. Lovie’s confused reaction to our group’s attempt to explain Canada’s silly 5 rnd limit on our mags was classic (sad for us). Fortunately, CSC had a bunch of Beowulf mags available for a reasonable price which was good. However, what they had were equivalent in length to 20 round Pmags. I’m used to 30 round Pmags so I ended up fumbling mag changes quite a bit. For me, the shorter length of the mag was awkward to handle since the magwell is close to the body. I plan to find some Beowulf mag extensions before the next Tavor course!

 

[fenceline]

Actually.....

Not once did I load more than 10 rounds, and for our crew she never asked us to load more than 10 including the malfunction mags. I bought Beowulf mags and it was an expense I didn't really need to make at the time.

Unless things change, pistol mags will get you through fine.

 

[FuzziRhyno]

Actually.....

Not once did I load more than 10 rounds, and for our crew she never asked us to load more than 10 including the malfunction mags. I bought Beowulf mags and it was an expense I didn't really need to make at the time.

Unless things change, pistol mags will get you through fine.

Good point. I didn't have pistol mags so went with the Beowulfs.

 

[CamDelle]

Good point. I didn't have pistol mags so went with the Beowulfs.

I had both and would only consider using the pistol mags with couplers or extensions. By themselves I never would have been able to do those mag changes

 

[fenceline]

I had both and would only consider using the pistol mags with couplers or extensions. By themselves I never would have been able to do those mag changes

LAR indeed, too true. Other pistol mags like the ATRS mags, and the Thermold pistol mags would be long enough.

 

[TV-PressPass]

Actually.....

Not once did I load more than 10 rounds, and for our crew she never asked us to load more than 10 including the malfunction mags. I bought Beowulf mags and it was an expense I didn't really need to make at the time.

Unless things change, pistol mags will get you through fine.

I gave them the condition of "no more than 10 per mag per drill" because lots of the initial drafts were calling for 15. Considering the variable .223 capacity between different brands of Beowulf, we figured 10 was a safe threshold.

Like others have said: if you're shooting with LAR's I would heartily recommend a grip extension.

 

[fenceline]

I gave them the condition of "no more than 10 per mag per drill" because lots of the initial drafts were calling for 15. Considering the variable .223 capacity between different brands of Beowulf, we figured 10 was a safe threshold.

Like others have said: if you're shooting with LAR's I would heartily recommend a grip extension.

Must have been after I asked you on Friday... before I bought the Beowulf mags hahaha.

Oh well, more mags isn't a bad thing.

 

[CamDelle]

Must have been after I asked you on Friday... before I bought the Beowulf mags hahaha.

Oh well, more mags isn't a bad thing.

You know it would be great if the participants could get a break down of what we did. course outline or something. I know note taking was mentioned but at times I had trouble just standing up. LOL..... No Really I did!!!!!

 

[Still alive]

From you guys description of the course, it sounds like "Know your Tavor 101/102". Weapons drills, malfunction drills, cleaning and care type thing.
I guess Lovie can't be disclosing too many IDF combat and shooting tactics since they are still using the platform!
I would agree with 120ish that a Haley Strategics type CQB course dedicated to the Tavor would be a great idea! Maybe Zahal and TVPP can come up with something. I'm sure it would be well attended.
I, for one, would like to know how a righty shoots an unmodified Tavor weak handed without getting hit in the face with brass and getting said brass flying back into the ejection port.

 

[fenceline]

Weak side shooting wasn't discussed.

 

[TV-PressPass]

I, for one, would like to know how a righty shoots an unmodified Tavor weak handed without getting hit in the face with brass and getting said brass flying back into the ejection port.

 

[Zahal.org]

You know it would be great if the participants could get a break down of what we did. course outline or something. I know note taking was mentioned but at times I had trouble just standing up. LOL..... No Really I did!!!!!

We have a PDF for you Cam!

 

[fenceline]

That is a little creepy.

 

[Still alive]

That is a little creepy.

I thought the same thing!
Funny though!

 

[toulash]

Thanks again to Zahal, CSC, TVPP, and all the great people at the course. I've uploaded all of the Go Pro footage and sent it off to TVPP.

 

[CamDelle]

We have a PDF for you Cam!

Awesome.

Thank you my friend!

 

[JonnyEVIL]

The heal bump technique for removing the mag is not an IDF practice. It's a civilian "look at what I just thought up" gimmick. Most shooters were using a mag couple. Single mag changes from a pouch.[/QUOTE]

One guy in the course had a scar on his hand from the heal bump technique and others mentioned it was easy to hurt your hand with it. It does not seem worth training.

 

[JonnyEVIL]

Press checks

[Speaking of press checks: Who does a press check after every time you re-insert a magazine?! Might as well do a press check after every round to make sure it successfully stripped the next round. I get doing a press check upon intial loading/charging sequence or after clearing a stoppage (especially if reusing the mag that initiated the stoppage) but after every mag is ridiculous and basically nullifies the need for a bolt hold open device since you will be required to pull on the charging handle anyways, and in my opinion put your rifle at risk of not having the bolt seat all the way back down after only letting it fly home...]

I think with a new mag they only press check if they are in cover and have the time to do so. When we did the fast reload drills I don't recall press checking. During the live fire for the stoppage drills we press checked because we had to move to cover but for the fast mag change drills I did not. (Or I was doing it wrong all weekend). Maybe Zahal.org can ask Lovie to clarify?

 

[skoal]

WOW I can't believe I missed this....

Yeah you could have learned how to take the rifle apart without breaking ####

Looks like you guys had a hell of a good time it's nice too see something different then the typical courses based around the ar.

 

[fenceline]

[Speaking of press checks: Who does a press check after every time you re-insert a magazine?! Might as well do a press check after every round to make sure it successfully stripped the next round. I get doing a press check upon intial loading/charging sequence or after clearing a stoppage (especially if reusing the mag that initiated the stoppage) but after every mag is ridiculous and basically nullifies the need for a bolt hold open device since you will be required to pull on the charging handle anyways, and in my opinion put your rifle at risk of not having the bolt seat all the way back down after only letting it fly home...]

I think with a new mag they only press check if they are in cover and have the time to do so. When we did the fast reload drills I don't recall press checking. During the live fire for the stoppage drills we press checked because we had to move to cover but for the fast mag change drills I did not. (Or I was doing it wrong all weekend). Maybe Zahal.org can ask Lovie to clarify?

Every reload or stoppage drill finished with a press check. I got told a couple of times. Just couldn't get it.