Colt Canada IUR 15.7 PREMIUM CARBINE
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r34skyline
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an article in calibremag stated something to the effect of them being modified bcg. why am i even asking when i can just compare mine? I'll confirm this myself and post my findings
WinterHawk
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The SA20/SA15.7 are fully Canadian Milspec, as had been mentioned these rifles have more than 200 places where they exceed the US Milspec. As had been mentioned before, you can shake a Colt out of the US factory and it rattles, the rifles out of Colt Canada are as tight as a virgin. Superb guns that are well worth the money. I have an SA20 and the IUR upper and have shot both. Love them.
r34skyline
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The rattle is because of the accuwedge stuffed in there. And the rattle doesn't mean ####. I'll have to take detailed pictures of the cc then compare it to a c7/c8 when I get a chance. For now I will compare them side by side with a lmt fa bcg and later with a dd mil spec bcg.
Ironically I too have a sa20 and iur upper and love both.
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CC stated earlier (when Matt K was answering messages on their CC forum) that CC would never sell FA BCG's (liability etc.) to the public and so it was a modified BCG that came in the SA15.7/SA 20 rifles, although it would be of the same quality as the semi. BCG's that our LEO's get in their Non-FA CC rifles (IIRC).
As for these Complete IUR rifles and what BCG they come with it sounds like that needs to be determined on an as model basis, because their have now been at least three different Complete IUR rifles available to the public (Omni lower Non-CC BCG, and two other complete IUR rifles as Fenceline stated in post #89 of this thread).
So be sure to confirm what you are buying as to know what BCG you're getting, saying that I believe it's safe to say no FA CC BCG's will become available with any CC products bound for the general public.
Clear as mud.
Cheers D
I guess we will need to wait and see what arrives.
According to O'Dell it is the following ...
- COLT CANADA - Complete 15.7 IUR Rifle
- Including Norgon Ambi Mag Release, Safety, sling adapter
- Colt Canada M16 FA Bolt Carrier Group (True CF bolt, full tail, better known as M16)
- Canadian Forces Tactical charge handle
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- East of Home, West of the Rest
It's a full auto bcg. Def not the hybrid. Plus the f/a version has been in the police diemaco contract guns built for the US Colt years ago. Devtec marked too. Those have been on the US surplus market for years and several are in canada already.
Silly policy not to sell them. Glad they are releasing them now.
Silly policy not to sell them. Glad they are releasing them now.
Well there you go another example of CC releasing items they said they wouldn't; I guess anything go's with CC when it comes to making a profit (not that FA BCG's are a bad thing you understand).
Kinda glad I didn't fall under the CC spell though (although it was close for awhile) knowing how they manage their retail code of conduct, or lack of one.
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Just a case that the photo of the CH was flipped vertical when the photo was being edited.
Here is the same photo as supplied from the Distributor and used by them to make the announcement banner...
And here it is flipped...Voilà
That is the main reason I'm holding off... And I want a damn 10" barrel from factory!
Gunnerlove
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Just a case that the photo of the CH was flipped vertical when the photo was being edited.
Here is the same photo as supplied from the Distributor and used by them to make the announcement banner...
And here it is flipped...Voilà
The Crocker Cocker was a POS when it was first drawn on a beer stained napkin and has not improved in any way.
I wanted a 14.5", but I didn't want to wait anymore. So I caved.
LOL, the thoughts and concerns in this single thread, is probably more thoughts and concerns that 90% of all members of the CAF put into their C7 and C8s. I would be surprised to see any small arms instructors explain to the course candidates that Diemaco is so awesome that SAS selected the C8 over the M4, and that the Danes and the Dutch brought them too not because they like Canada but on actual technical merit.
The 2moa cold hammer forged barrel? What you mean I should not scrape the crown with my flathead screwdriver to prep for the inspection? LOL.
Why am I shooting 18moa groupings in prone supported? Must be the POS ammo? (No)
That cheap plastic looking stock is not actually cheap plastic? LOL.
The ####ing charging handle extension that always gets caught in the "conceived in the 70s, designed in the 80s, made in the 90s" tacvest? LOL.
The MPI FA bolt? Ooopps I just dropped it on the ground, does it need to be inspected again? LOL.
Not saying we don't take pride of our equipment, but certainly some of the time it is underappreciated... and then there are those that are actually ####.
The 2moa cold hammer forged barrel? What you mean I should not scrape the crown with my flathead screwdriver to prep for the inspection? LOL.
Why am I shooting 18moa groupings in prone supported? Must be the POS ammo? (No)
That cheap plastic looking stock is not actually cheap plastic? LOL.
The ####ing charging handle extension that always gets caught in the "conceived in the 70s, designed in the 80s, made in the 90s" tacvest? LOL.
The MPI FA bolt? Ooopps I just dropped it on the ground, does it need to be inspected again? LOL.
Not saying we don't take pride of our equipment, but certainly some of the time it is underappreciated... and then there are those that are actually ####.
Retail code of conduct? That sounds like something that would be managed by some special person in a giant glass tower of an office building.
The thing people need to recognize about Colt Canada is that, first off, they are anything but a gigantic company organized around retail sales. There's between 60 and 120 or so odd employees at Colt Canada depending on what they're doing at the time, total, and they are simply not configured for retail sales. That's just a fact. They're used to selling thousands of guns in massive orders to customers that care far more about reliability, performance, and post-sale service that retail customers concerned about the rarity of an item or the perceived performance of things like FA bolt carriers in SA guns.
Secondly, because they are a pretty small company, there's literally a handful of people making decisions like "no FA carriers for civilian guns." To understand their thinking you need to recognize that these decisions are being made by people who (rightfully) place a lot of importance on retaining a strong relationship with their largest customer; the federal government. It's one thing to submit a gun to the RCMP for examination, it's another thing to submit a gun to the RCMP for classification when the RCMP is also one of your largest customers, and if including things like FA bolt carriers could even POSSIBLY rock that lucrative boat... I'm sure we'd all say screw it and toss a SA bolt carrier in their anyway. Hell, it makes no difference in a semi-auto gun anyway. But the flip side of that coin is that only a few people need to change their minds for us to get stuff like FA bolt carriers and whatnot, and that's what we're seeing now.
It blows my mind that people are so willing to jump down Colt Canada's throat for pricing and product availability changes. We're talking about a Canadian defense contractor that sold zero guns to civilians for decades, it's only natural that their first year of civilian sales would see a lot of changes and evolutions of the civilian sales model, as they learn what the market wants and what their own corporate culture will allow. I mean hell, we've got basically a government-funded builder of boutique rifles in our own backyard, the guns they make are regarded by many to be some of if not the single best AR-15s on the planet, and after years of people complaining that they don't sell them to us, now people are complaining that they aren't selling them right. I just hope they don't see all these whiny comments and decide it's not worth the trouble.
