Colt Canada IUR 15.7 PREMIUM CARBINE

fenceline said:
^^^ Dudes got some good points.
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^ defintely, but when Colt Canada offers these awesome rifles to our Mil./LEO customers (who were the reason for making them available in the first place) and then sells them w/o a discount and a short time later offers the discount screwing the loyal who bought first, it stings.

Then when Colt Canada brings a rare and again awesome piece of kit such as the IUR 15.7" upper to market stating in limited quantities for a short time then offers more and more then finally at significantly reduced prices, again it stings.

They offer CC lowers with no BCG and IUR uppers so we can hopefully build a IUR w/o having to strip SA rifles which some felt were necessary as no CC lowers were available...

Then they offer the IUR as a complete rifle w/o CC BCG and a non-CC lower, then with a CC lower but still no BCG and now finally a CC lower and CC BCG all for less then the reduced prices of the SA 20 complete rifle.

Don't get me wrong I love CC rifles, used one in our reserve forces for years and saw firsthand how tough and accurate they were. It's just that they way they brought all these items to market has been less then acceptable in my and several other CGN'ers eyes.

Saying all this I still do want a complete 11.6" IUR rifle when and if they become available, but I definitely won't be jumping for the first wave of prices they come out with, that's for sure.

Cheers D
 
I agree dfritter1. I just bought an IUR. If CC BCG's are made available, I will buy one for the upper. I mated my IUR to my SA15.7 and used the BCG from it. I'm happy with the CC Koolaid thus far. Bring on the shorties though!!
 
Given how high the price of US made rifles is likely to climb given the current dollar situation, I think CC products are reasonably priced. As for the "limited production" thing, I think that moniker could apply for any CC product sold to civilians. How many have they sold so far? 2000 complete rifles? Seems pretty limited to me.
 
Zeroed-In said:
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Then they offer the IUR as a complete rifle w/o CC BCG and a non-CC lower, then with a CC lower but still no BCG...
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these were never offered by CC, they are middle man package... CC sells CC rifle and CC parts, they have nothing to do with Omni, High Standards, ATI and what ever else isn't CC. people complaining about these package are barking at the wrong tree.

Zeroed-In said:
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when Colt Canada brings a rare and again awesome piece of kit such as the IUR 15.7" upper to market stating in limited quantities for a short time then offers more and more then finally at significantly reduced prices...
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the IUR were limited, there is no more right now... the first were pristine, the second blemished, were they to sell factory seconds at full price?
 
No logical reason, I've got a Diemaco BUIS too lol
the thing is the SA were advertised as Diemaco more than CC, yet they had CC bcg and the IUR have the Diemaco FA bcg, devil is in the details.
 
Ix said:
No logical reason, I've got a Diemaco BUIS too lol
the thing is the SA were advertised as Diemaco more than CC, yet they had CC bcg and the IUR have the Diemaco FA bcg, devil is in the details.
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Diemaco is Colt Canada. There is no difference. Save for the dye stamp they use on the assembly line.
 
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Zeroed-In said:
^ defintely, but when Colt Canada offers these awesome rifles to our Mil./LEO customers (who were the reason for making them available in the first place) and then sells them w/o a discount and a short time later offers the discount screwing the loyal who bought first, it stings.

Then when Colt Canada brings a rare and again awesome piece of kit such as the IUR 15.7" upper to market stating in limited quantities for a short time then offers more and more then finally at significantly reduced prices, again it stings.

They offer CC lowers with no BCG and IUR uppers so we can hopefully build a IUR w/o having to strip SA rifles which some felt were necessary as no CC lowers were available...

Then they offer the IUR as a complete rifle w/o CC BCG and a non-CC lower, then with a CC lower but still no BCG and now finally a CC lower and CC BCG all for less then the reduced prices of the SA 20 complete rifle.

Don't get me wrong I love CC rifles, used one in our reserve forces for years and saw firsthand how tough and accurate they were. It's just that they way they brought all these items to market has been less then acceptable in my and several other CGN'ers eyes.

Saying all this I still do want a complete 11.6" IUR rifle when and if they become available, but I definitely won't be jumping for the first wave of prices they come out with, that's for sure.

Cheers D
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Agree 100% Well said.

Now these IUR complete rifles are going for $1600, and there are people on the EE trying to sell SA15.7 rifles for $1945. Good luck with that. Again, this stings as ZI says...
 
r34skyline said:
Mine work fine. But I expected milspec parts when i got mine. It has gone back to hibernating in the 20inch top replaced by a lmt milspec fa bcg on the iur.
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You think they didn't make the hybrid bolt carrier to the same quality that they made the f/a bcg? That little bit machined out of the bottom isn't going to make a lock of difference to function or longevity.

Milspec isn't even milspec from military to military. Canadian milspec is different than US milspec and so on.

Besides, there is supposed to be a full auto selector too on the receiver to be milspec. Does that make the receiver less quality on the sa guns?

Heck, the vast majority of sa guns don't even run a Weaver rail upper receiver. The last 100 or so did, as CC ran out of the picatinny rail upper receivers they using near the end of production. Only then did they say screw it and used Canadian "milspec" weaver rail uppers to finish off the last 100 or so of the line. Another variant to look for should people be collecting on the whole variation thing.
 
There is a difference; CC marked or D marked. does that matter is another thing...
The way I see it, the Diemaco SA20 & SA15.7 should've been the one with the CF charging handle, the norton ambi mag release and the D marked FA bolt thats all, am I sweating it? not nearly.
 
Ix said:
There is a difference; CC marked or D marked. does that matter is another thing...
The way I see it, the Diemaco SA20 & SA15.7 should've been the one with the CF charging handle, the norton ambi mag release and the D marked FA bolt thats all, am I sweating it? not nearly.
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Sure. But at the end of the day its a logo, that's it. Diemaco and Colt Canada stuff is all the same, same assembly line, same hands.

They talked about doing that, but decided that it would be better to save on cost. Norgon releases sell on their own for over $100. Add that to the price. And I'm sure they would have added more for the CF handle too. And the triad if it was available at the time.
 
Ix said:
these were never offered by CC, they are middle man package... CC sells CC rifle and CC parts, they have nothing to do with Omni, High Standards, ATI and what ever else isn't CC. people complaining about these package are barking at the wrong tree.


the IUR were limited, there is no more right now... the first were pristine, the second blemished, were they to sell factory seconds at full price?
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To your first point: Perhaps, however CC could stipulate how their products are brought to/and sold in the marketplace there by eliminating the chances of customer blowback.


and to your second point: It would have been nice for those who bought the first batch of IUR's (I myself came very, very close to picking one up) to recognize that a slightly blemished model would be available soon after and at a significant discount (especially to those like myself who treat firearms as tools and could care less about scratches...).

I recognize the situation and Colt Canada's position, all I'm saying that is if they care to respect their civilian customers by building a relationship that will encourage trust i.e. repeat sales then they would do well to remedy many of the situations that have come about in their first year of civvy sales...

I'd also like to point out that I believe CC kit to be second to none and am proud (Colt) Canada makes some of the best, if not the best military small arms in the world.

Cheers D
 
Colt Canada public product release over view....

Sa15.7 with Picatinny Rail Upper Receiver.
Sa 20 with Picatinny Rail Upper Receiver.

Sa15.7 with C8 Upper Receiver.
Sa 20 with C8 Upper Receiver.... These had a different number of slots in the rail and a notch milled into the tail like rhe iur. These uppers were used as supply of regular SA uppers ran out before the 1000 guns were finished.

Danish IUR surplus.

Danish IUR blemished surplus.

Danish IUR on Omni Lowers with generic charging handle and "Hi-standard Brand" BCG.

IUR rubber rail covers.

Stripped Lower receivers void of sa20 or sa15.7 laser etching.

Complete lower receivers without ambi mag release.

Complete "Enhanced" lower receivers with ambi mag release.

Triads, without Devtec logo.

Complete IUR builds with Enhanced Lower Receiver, F/A BCG and CF charging handle.


There were IURs mated to Enhanced lower receivers with generic bolt carriers and charging handles by dealers, but these were not formally released by Colt Canada or O'Dells. These were pieced together at the dealer level.


I'm sure I probably missed something.
 
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Repro77 said:
Agree 100% Well said.

Now these IUR complete rifles are going for $1600, and there are people on the EE trying to sell SA15.7 rifles for $1945. Good luck with that. Again, this stings as ZI says...
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It does. But IURs are the only upper CC produces now. No more front sight gas block uppers. So that is a discontinued model and design. If that's what someone wants, that is the only way to find one. For those that like to modify those guns, they are easier to change a rail on than and IUR, that's for sure.

Apples to oranges within Colt Canada stuff, sort of.
 
fenceline said:
You think they didn't make the hybrid bolt carrier to the same quality that they made the f/a bcg? That little bit machined out of the bottom isn't going to make a lock of difference to function or longevity.

Milspec isn't even milspec from military to military. Canadian milspec is different than US milspec and so on.

Besides, there is supposed to be a full auto selector too on the receiver to be milspec. Does that make the receiver less quality on the sa guns?

Heck, the vast majority of sa guns don't even run a Weaver rail upper receiver. The last 100 or so did, as CC ran out of the picatinny rail upper receivers they using near the end of production. Only then did they say screw it and used Canadian "milspec" weaver rail uppers to finish off the last 100 or so of the line. Another variant to look for should people be collecting on the whole variation thing.
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What I think is not relevant. What i know or don't know in this case is. I have no clue if these will perform on par with either a us mil spec m16/m4 bcg or a can mil spec c7/c8 bcg. Cc has not given any demonstration on how these hold up to hard use compared to a mil spec bcg. I traded what I don't know for what I do know. Till someone demonstrates the sa hybrid bcg can match or exceed fa bcg for reliability and longetivity i see no reason to risk with the unknown when i can run the known.
 
Given everything else they produce, at the quality, care and control that they make those things, I highly doubt colt Canada would risk their reputation on changing things in that process to make a sub standard bolt carrier. In fact I would go so far as to surmise they were made on the same assembly line, with one step added to mill away that extra little section on the underside so they wouldn't allow a full auto lower to function properly.


If I were to play the odds...
 
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