Why Aren't The 35's More Popular?

When I was a youngster I decided that acquiring a .35 caliber rifle was an absolute necessity. This was no doubt a result of reading old magazine articles that bragged up the .35 Newton, later ones which spoke highly of the .358 Norma, and a pocket book that included a photo of a polar bear felled by a radically modern looking Remington 600 .350 magnum. Despite the benefits of the big case medium bore powerhouses, that my own basic requirements of the time could have been better filled by a .35 Remington lever action, I was hung up on bolt guns, and the .35 Whelen, so the first true sporting rifle I ever bought myself was the more conservative appearing Remington 700 BDL in .350 Magnum, the ballistic twin of the Whelen cartridge, which would remain a wildcat for quite some time to come. I had no money in those days for a custom rifle, and even if I had, I certainly have the patience to wait a year for it to be built, If I wanted it tomorrow, I'd have bought it tomorrow! Unfortunately, the old thin Remington 700 BDL stock, and the factory bedding, proved to be a poor combination for the .350 magnum; it split midway through the checkering in the forend, rearward through the tang and back through the pistol grip. The tough laminated M-600 stock would have proven superior, and that little rifle would have been much handier than the M-700's 24" pipe for the thick bush of south eastern Manitoba along the Ontario border.

The point of this rambling is that we tend to choose our cartridges, less by careful analysis, and more by what has caught our imagination. There has been much more written about the .338s, and the 9.3s, and .375s than there has been about any .35. If your attention isn't pulled in a certain direction, you don't have any reason to go there. If your personal hero carried a .270, a .30/06, a .300 magnum, or if you used to watch Stewart Granger reach for his .375, chances are that so will you. The lack of interest in the .35 bore size probably comes down to just that, it simply hasn't caught the imagination of very many people, despite being an intelligent choice for big game hunted at moderate ranges. But you know, a .35 Ultramag would be interesting now that I think on it.
 
I suppose if one wanted to sell an odd shooter in their collection and desired some top funds
on the price, well one could just start a thread on the ins and outs of such a critter and wait.
Wait for replies and git the thirst going.
Then ............ SchaZZam..............tawss it in the EE.






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Superbrad said:
That's the one..... NOWHERE does it say you can't use a rifle greater than .275 for coyote.......

Don't get me wrong, it's a stupid rule.... And to further my point, a .270 sports a .277 bullet, but they go by head stamp......

Just bothers me that many limit their rifle selection and experience because they don't understand the regs......
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You might want to reread the laws. Coyotes are considered small game. In certain areas as listed above small game can't be hunted with a rifle greater than 275 by name except muzzleloading guns

During open shotgun and muzzleloading deer seasons the rifle used for small game can't be over 400 ftlbs
 
Most are on a limited budget, and would rather make do with the existing assortment of high power choices that are already stocked gun and ammo wise. The 35's just don't offer enough for a guy to sink a pile of money into getting one going, especially if reloading is also required due to poor availability and selection. Personally, I would much rather buy a box of ammo at a reasonable cost and be ready to go.
The best way to market the 35 Whelen would be it's large game usefulness with milder recoil in a relatively light package (i.e. remington 700 or 760).
But the vast majority of hunters will never have the need of that extra killing power, ergo the 308's and 30-06's with premium bullets rule.
 
kamlooky said:
I suppose if one wanted to sell an odd shooter in their collection and desired some top funds
on the price, well one could just start a thread on the ins and outs of such a critter and wait.
Wait for replies and git the thirst going.
Then ............ SchaZZam..............tawss it in the EE.






:stirthepot2:
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You think that you created that concept? That has been going on for years... watch the WTB ads that pop up after a thread with glowing praise for cartridge or rifle "X"...
 
brybenn said:
You might want to reread the laws. Coyotes are considered small game. In certain areas as listed above small game can't be hunted with a rifle greater than 275 by name except muzzleloading guns

During open shotgun and muzzleloading deer seasons the rifle used for small game can't be over 400 ftlbs
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This is where people confuse the law.....

Here is the law in regards to small game hunting, which yes, does indeed include coyote....

If you are hunting small game in an area where there is an
open season for deer, moose, elk, or black bear, you may
not possess or use a rifle of greater muzzle energy than 400
foot-pounds or shells loaded with ball or with shot larger than
No. 2 shot (non-toxic equivalents include steel shot larger
than triple BBB, or bismuth larger than double BB), unless
you possess a valid licence to hunt deer, moose, elk or black
bear as the case may be.

So, in other words, if you are carrying something that meets the description of "a rifle of greater than 400 foot pounds" while there is a big game season open, then you need to have a permit for that big game season. Nowhere does it state that you CANNOT use a big game rifle period. No doubt a stupid law, don't get me wrong.

As for the "270 law", here it is.....

A person hunting small game may not carry or use a rifle
of greater calibre than a .275-calibre rifle, except a muzzleloading
gun, in the geographic areas of Brant, Chatham-Kent,
Durham, Elgin, Essex, Haldimand, Halton, Hamilton, Huron,
Lambton, Middlesex, Niagara, Norfolk, Northumberland,
Oxford, Peel, Perth, Toronto, Waterloo, Wellington or York.

Yes, you cannot use greater than a .270 in these areas.... mostly around Toronto..... but to state that this rule applies to all of Ontario is incorrect.....
 
Charlie38 said:
I've owned a Browning BLR 358 win, Remington Model 7 CDL in 350 Rem. Mag and still own a custom Parker Hale with a match grade Shilen barrel in 35 Wheleln. I wanted more range so I just pruchased a Husqavarna in 358 Norma Mag -225s @2900+ or 250s @2800+ (pics look like a crown grade..drool)....can't wait. Better than the 338wm IMO

The 35's seem to hit harder than paper says they should on game and usually exit and leave a blood trail a house painter would be envious of or drop n the spot. They also shoot flatter than most would have you believe. I like them.
My avatar to the left is the 358win with the whitetail...
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Care to share a picture of your Husky 358 Norma:)
 
Superbrad said:
This is where people confuse the law.....

Here is the law in regards to small game hunting, which yes, does indeed include coyote....

If you are hunting small game in an area where there is an
open season for deer, moose, elk, or black bear, you may
not possess or use a rifle of greater muzzle energy than 400
foot-pounds or shells loaded with ball or with shot larger than
No. 2 shot (non-toxic equivalents include steel shot larger
than triple BBB, or bismuth larger than double BB), unless
you possess a valid licence to hunt deer, moose, elk or black
bear as the case may be.

So, in other words, if you are carrying something that meets the description of "a rifle of greater than 400 foot pounds" while there is a big game season open, then you need to have a permit for that big game season. Nowhere does it state that you CANNOT use a big game rifle period. No doubt a stupid law, don't get me wrong.

As for the "270 law", here it is.....

A person hunting small game may not carry or use a rifle
of greater calibre than a .275-calibre rifle, except a muzzleloading
gun, in the geographic areas of Brant, Chatham-Kent,
Durham, Elgin, Essex, Haldimand, Halton, Hamilton, Huron,
Lambton, Middlesex, Niagara, Norfolk, Northumberland,
Oxford, Peel, Perth, Toronto, Waterloo, Wellington or York.

Yes, you cannot use greater than a .270 in these areas.... mostly around Toronto..... but to state that this rule applies to all of Ontario is incorrect.....
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Well, that's certainly a different take on that which you seemed to infer previously .... ;)

I apologize if I confused you . I did state that some people in southern Ontario favoured 270's because due to calibre restrictions in some municipalities. I did not state "all of Ontario" ... and by the way, those counties & regions specified in the Regulations, from Chatham-Kent to Northumberland, is an area significantly larger to me than "mostly around Toronto".
And yes, I did have varmint hunting in mind when I mentioned the 270 as being popular in the deer camps I've been part of ... most of these "270 guys" guys live in those specified municipalities ... and did/do use their rifles for more than just deer hunting ... including ground hogs & coyotes around home, but also moose & black bear in other locales as well. So correct, nowhere in my original post does "it" (meaning, me) "say anything about coyotes" ... didn't think I had to.

I do agree with you that the Regulations are a little problematic for the coyote hunter. In some locales, there is an "open" season for both deer and bear from the first part of September right through to the end of December, and even in the south, Durham & Northumberland for example, yes, one would have to have to have both a deer & bear license to hunt coyotes, groundhogs, crows, etc. in these areas basically the whole fall season. In some areas they may also need a wolf & coyote tag.

So it's really not a "largely spread myth" that Ontario has some ridiculous calibre restrictions in place !

And oh yeah, I get my information directly from the Regulations & The Game & Fish Act.

No question the various 35's seem to be less popular than they should be. Whelen B & I have had many a good discussion on this.
 
SuperCub said:
HUH? ...... Don't they make those same bullets in 35cal?
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Some, but not near the selection in .35 caliber that the others do, but that's not really the point.

SuperCub said:
The biggest competition to the smaller 35s (358win, 35whelen, 350RM) is the 30/06. Put one of those great modern bullets that Clarke mentions in a 30/06 and you're not giving up much from a 35cal.
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This is closer to the point.

We have plenty of cartridges with plenty of bullets in .308, .338, .375. Not much point in a .35 unless you just want one.
 
hoytcanon said:
You think that you created that concept? That has been going on for years... watch the WTB ads that pop up after a thread with glowing praise for cartridge or rifle "X"...
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It was just an observation I duly put forth......you ....... you......... you finger pointer you.......... :wave:
 
Gatehouse said:
Some, but not near the selection in .35 caliber that the others do, but that's not really the point.



This is closer to the point.

We have plenty of cartridges with plenty of bullets in .308, .338, .375. Not much point in a .35 unless you just want one.
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35 ruger is slated for release early fall 2016, game changer
 
kamlooky said:
It was just an observation I duly put forth......you ....... you......... you finger pointer you.......... :wave:
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AR AR AR...

I "may or may not" have been guilty of said transgression in the past... but now that you have openly discussed it (rat fink) I am sure there will be more in the future. ;)
 
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