Apparently that was actually wildcatted on the 375 Ruger case ( of course ) and if I remember correctly the same gentleman also did a 404 on the Ruger case, now THAT would really interest me if it came to being...
Why Aren't The 35's More Popular?
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Apparently that was actually wildcatted on the 375 Ruger case ( of course ) and if I remember correctly the same gentleman also did a 404 on the Ruger case, now THAT would really interest me if it came to being...
There was at one time the 360 IMPERIAL MAGNUM out the Okanagan in BC. It was built on what Remington bought from them...Remington changed them a bit and marketed them as the REMINGTON ULTRA MAGNUMS...RUM's if you will ,so to answer your comment Boomer...there kinda was a 35 ULTRA MAG. There was one on the rifles buy sell on here awhile back. They were built on a Sako action.
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Been that route a couple dozen times... but I would rather buy new off Kiff... 4-D is not fond of shipping North of the border due to the turnaround time, but I have talked him into it a couple times... IME, further ahead buying new for the project and then selling afterward... with the best option (cheapest) a factory chambering... ok, yeah I bit... he got me, I would still jump on a .35 Ruger.... I guess that would be the "New Prince?"
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- Central BC
.358 Norma, is a fantastic cartridge,,as is the wildcat 35 WSM,,,not sure why only the Whelan has survived,,maybe because there isnt a big gap between the 338 and the 375
Speaking strictly for myself the old Whelen just plain works.
My Dad introduced me to the Whelen and I was scared of it for a while but that was because it had a hard plastic buttplate with the word " BISHOP" that became stamped into my skinny shoulder everytime I fired it.
But, it didn't take long to realize that for my kind of hunting it was / is an awesome killer in spite of the fact that its not a long range marvel like many others..
The 35 Whelen can push a 225 gr Accubomb at 2800 fps... at least if Noslers data is to be believed. That doesn't strike me as short range brush buster but something with pretty good all around potential. Seems to me a potentially worthwhile boost from the 30-06 and a 220 at 2450 fps or so.
Those southern counties don't have a center fire season for deer or bear so that really limits us for coyote hunting with big game rifles However since the law doesn't specify dimensions a 275 Rigby is legal to use if so stamped on the barrel
I have this in writing from 2 CO and from the ptbo office. I agree it's a stupid law. That's why I shoot a 25/06
A 357 lever gun would be perfect for coyotes in the early fall but that's not allowed down here but my 270 wby is. No common sense
Back to topic I couldn't decide between a short barreled 358 win or a longer barreled 35 Whelen so I plan to aquire both and possibly a 356 lever gun when funds allow
I have many 35 cal rifles and have used them for the taking of game many times and probably will continue to do so. However, the 35 cals are more likely found with a person who has many rifles and cartridge choices in his safe and almost never found with a person who uses it as his primary hunting cartridge. The reason being that although the 35s do a lot of things quite well, they don't do anything exceptionally well, to the exclusion of all other cartridges. Neither "fish nor foul" as the saying goes. The 358 NM although a very capable cartridge in it's own right, recoils in the same class as the 375 H&H/Ruger and is 10X more difficult to feed than the other 2, and virtually impossible if one doesn't handload. It also arguably doesn't do anything the 338 WM won't do with the same ammo concerns again.
The 350 RM (my pet) is in the same boat, as is the Whelen, both capable cartridges, however both very much over shadowed by the performance of the 300 WM and several other immensely more popular cartridges, and very difficult to feed without reloading. Put another way, the 35s have NEVER held any amount of sway, anywhere in the world. They have always been one of the OTHER choices and there is not one of the 35s that cannot be outdone by a more mainstream and popular cartridge.
I personally love the way my 350 RM kills blackies with a 225 AB, and in all reality, you can't kill them better or deader with anything else, but you can kill them just as dead with many other cartridges. I use my 35s as niche cartridges to do specific tasks occasionally, but when I leave to go and do some serious hunting where ranges aren't known and could get a little long I take either my 300 Wby or my 375 H&H..........this is just the reality of the situation, and there isn't a 35 cal that will do what ever these 2 will do when called upon.
The 350 RM (my pet) is in the same boat, as is the Whelen, both capable cartridges, however both very much over shadowed by the performance of the 300 WM and several other immensely more popular cartridges, and very difficult to feed without reloading. Put another way, the 35s have NEVER held any amount of sway, anywhere in the world. They have always been one of the OTHER choices and there is not one of the 35s that cannot be outdone by a more mainstream and popular cartridge.
I personally love the way my 350 RM kills blackies with a 225 AB, and in all reality, you can't kill them better or deader with anything else, but you can kill them just as dead with many other cartridges. I use my 35s as niche cartridges to do specific tasks occasionally, but when I leave to go and do some serious hunting where ranges aren't known and could get a little long I take either my 300 Wby or my 375 H&H..........this is just the reality of the situation, and there isn't a 35 cal that will do what ever these 2 will do when called upon.
A couple years ago I bought a high lustre blued 21" T/C Contender carbine Custom Shop barrel in 35 Rem really didn't want or need it for anything other than I am a bit of a Contender carbine collector so snapped it up.
I immediately went on a 35 Rem brass/bullet buying frenzy I now have hundreds of brass and bullets that will last me for years and even worked up a couple of very nice surprisingly accurate loads.
After all that buying and loading this rifle/cartridge combo now mostly stays in the safe.
I tend to grab combo's that give me longer range capabilities I'm not saying I necessarily grab more powerful combos just not ones that limit me to only 150 yards which is basically every other hunting combo I have including my 6.8SPC's which are basically the exact same case but with far lighter 270 cal bullets like 95gr TTSX, 110gr Accubonds & TSX these are all good out to 300 yards on deer.
I have and will hunt again with this 35 Rem carbine but I'm now planning on this combo to be one of my youngest son's first hunting rifles when he turns 10 in just over a year.
I immediately went on a 35 Rem brass/bullet buying frenzy I now have hundreds of brass and bullets that will last me for years and even worked up a couple of very nice surprisingly accurate loads.
After all that buying and loading this rifle/cartridge combo now mostly stays in the safe.
I tend to grab combo's that give me longer range capabilities I'm not saying I necessarily grab more powerful combos just not ones that limit me to only 150 yards which is basically every other hunting combo I have including my 6.8SPC's which are basically the exact same case but with far lighter 270 cal bullets like 95gr TTSX, 110gr Accubonds & TSX these are all good out to 300 yards on deer.
I have and will hunt again with this 35 Rem carbine but I'm now planning on this combo to be one of my youngest son's first hunting rifles when he turns 10 in just over a year.
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- Manitoulin Island
"A person hunting small game may not carry or use a rifle
of greater calibre than a .275-calibre rifle, except a muzzleloading
gun, in the geographic areas of Brant, Chatham-Kent,
Durham, Elgin, Essex, Haldimand, Halton, Hamilton, Huron,
Lambton, Middlesex, Niagara, Norfolk, Northumberland,
Oxford, Peel, Perth, Toronto, Waterloo, Wellington or York."
The above refers to small game. Coyotes and Wolves fall under the small game regulations in ON. If you hunt coyotes in those counties with a larger calibre, you contravene the regulation. In the named jurisdictions, to the best of my knowledge, there is no high power rifle season for deer.
(Edit) Bryben beat me to it.
Bill
of greater calibre than a .275-calibre rifle, except a muzzleloading
gun, in the geographic areas of Brant, Chatham-Kent,
Durham, Elgin, Essex, Haldimand, Halton, Hamilton, Huron,
Lambton, Middlesex, Niagara, Norfolk, Northumberland,
Oxford, Peel, Perth, Toronto, Waterloo, Wellington or York."
The above refers to small game. Coyotes and Wolves fall under the small game regulations in ON. If you hunt coyotes in those counties with a larger calibre, you contravene the regulation. In the named jurisdictions, to the best of my knowledge, there is no high power rifle season for deer.
(Edit) Bryben beat me to it.
Bill
Ordered my 358win barrel (shillen) last February from the states, still waiting for it. Supposely it's with Border Services now.
My plans are to put it on a Remington 700 SPS action with a Boyd's Featherweight Thumbhole Stock, not totally decided on barrel length but will either be 20" or 22".
This is going to be my deer/bear rifle
Can't wait to get this thing.
My plans are to put it on a Remington 700 SPS action with a Boyd's Featherweight Thumbhole Stock, not totally decided on barrel length but will either be 20" or 22".
This is going to be my deer/bear rifle
Can't wait to get this thing.
Actually thumbhole stocks just suck.
As to the 358 Win barrel that is an excellent choice.
I have been considering sending my T/C Contender 35 Rem barrel into someone that can rechamber it to either a 358Bellm or 358JDJ = 444 Marlin brass necked down to 35 cal the 358Bellm uses 358 Win dies the 358JDJ uses proprietary dies.
Can't load a Contender to the same pressures but it would be close now that would be a fun light thumper combo that would see a lot of use with the extra 300fps I would be getting over the 35 Rem.
As to the 358 Win barrel that is an excellent choice.
I have been considering sending my T/C Contender 35 Rem barrel into someone that can rechamber it to either a 358Bellm or 358JDJ = 444 Marlin brass necked down to 35 cal the 358Bellm uses 358 Win dies the 358JDJ uses proprietary dies.
Can't load a Contender to the same pressures but it would be close now that would be a fun light thumper combo that would see a lot of use with the extra 300fps I would be getting over the 35 Rem.
