Fold down back-up sights
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84wh1
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With a magnified optic you won't be able to really use BUIS. They won't co witness well at all. So if you want BUIS, your best bet is 45 deg off set. If I were running that, I'd go with magpul MBUS Pro 45
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I use Troy's with the HK front on all my ARs and black rifles. Quality pieces.
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I use some Magpul MBUS. Probably not as accurate as Troy, ARMS or others. But it's cheaper and probably lighter. Does the job of a back-up at moderate range.
The MBUS pro looks more slim but my Gen1 MBUS put a very little pressure under my NF ocular bell because it's too thick.
Did NightForce release a 1-6 scope???
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I have a few sets of the Magpul plastic flip ups and a couple sets of midwest industries metal flip ups. Most of them just sit in the toolbox and the ones on the rifles get sighted in once then never used again.
With a NF scope on there you really don't need to worry about an optics failure as they can take a heck of a beating and if you wreck it you probably have some serious damage to your rifle.
If you really want some BUIS just in case then go for the cheapest and lightest decent sights (not ebay junk) you can find. They probably won't get used more than once or twice a year and there's no sense spending big dollars on them unless you like using irons and plan to use them regularly. If that's the case and they will get used then I would buy some non folding sights and just leave them in the range bag for when you decide to use them, it would only take a minute to put them on.
With a NF scope on there you really don't need to worry about an optics failure as they can take a heck of a beating and if you wreck it you probably have some serious damage to your rifle.
If you really want some BUIS just in case then go for the cheapest and lightest decent sights (not ebay junk) you can find. They probably won't get used more than once or twice a year and there's no sense spending big dollars on them unless you like using irons and plan to use them regularly. If that's the case and they will get used then I would buy some non folding sights and just leave them in the range bag for when you decide to use them, it would only take a minute to put them on.
I co-witnessed a set of fixed LMT back-up sights with the Aimpoint. When I mounted the 1-4 NF I installed a set of Troy M4 bkup sights.
Never needed the use of them since the primary Optic never failed….but you never know.
….with a 22lr conversion kit.
Never needed the use of them since the primary Optic never failed….but you never know.
….with a 22lr conversion kit.
84wh1
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So since your talking "last minute sighting system", I assume that means you have a mount with QD capabilities. If not, get one because BUIS will be pointless if you can't get rid of your optic in a hurry.
Saying that, everyone likes Troy but not everyone likes Troy prices. I personally run MI BUIS and they are great. Well made, well priced and easy to find. When you think about how little the BUIS get used, I personally think spending 300$ on Troy is a little overkill. Unless you plan on jumping out of a helicopter and such.
onetwentyish
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I use Troy for all my BUIS needs right now, but I think I have plans for a set of KAC 200m-600m offsets for a MH. 
I don't understand the "need" for buis on a civilian rifle.
What could you ever be doing with your rifle that you couldn't just stop and correct the problem with your optic? No one is shooting back at you and if you're competing then the chances of your optic quitting mid round is pretty much zero. The biggest risk for damage is when you throw it into the safe barrel at the end and if you damage it at that point you would have until the next round to either fix your optic or remove it and install something else.
I have buis on a few of my rifles but that's mostly because they came with the rifle when I bought it and they aren't in the way of my optic. The only rifle I have them on that I might use would be my NR ACR because I have a 3-9×40 on it and that scope isn't much use for close range.
We aren't some special forces GiJoe's and all the crap I see on peoples personal rifles these days makes me laugh. Guys spend all this money on what if's and just in case then hardly ever shoot their rifles. That's why I suggested going with the cheapest decent sights available. They'll probably hardly ever get used and the what if day will probably never come. I suggest taking the $100-$300 you were going to spend on BUIS and put it towards a better primary optic, training, or more ammo.
When I did a CQB course last summer my 1-4 scope lost it's seal and fogged up. I simply kept shooting as I could still see the targets and it remained accurate. When I got home I removed the scope and sent it in for service and the new one was in my hands in a couple weeks. I simply used a different rifle while the scope was gone and if I really needed to use that rifle I would have taken some glass off a different rifle. This isn't life or death stuff here, we have time to fix things that break and it doesn't ruin your day. Spending a couple hundred dollars for parts that are for the most part not needed and most likely will never be used makes little sense to me.
Of course everyone is free to spend their money on whatever they want and dress up their rifle however they want, I personally just don't see the point in spending a bunch of money on something that serves no practical purpose.
What could you ever be doing with your rifle that you couldn't just stop and correct the problem with your optic? No one is shooting back at you and if you're competing then the chances of your optic quitting mid round is pretty much zero. The biggest risk for damage is when you throw it into the safe barrel at the end and if you damage it at that point you would have until the next round to either fix your optic or remove it and install something else.
I have buis on a few of my rifles but that's mostly because they came with the rifle when I bought it and they aren't in the way of my optic. The only rifle I have them on that I might use would be my NR ACR because I have a 3-9×40 on it and that scope isn't much use for close range.
We aren't some special forces GiJoe's and all the crap I see on peoples personal rifles these days makes me laugh. Guys spend all this money on what if's and just in case then hardly ever shoot their rifles. That's why I suggested going with the cheapest decent sights available. They'll probably hardly ever get used and the what if day will probably never come. I suggest taking the $100-$300 you were going to spend on BUIS and put it towards a better primary optic, training, or more ammo.
When I did a CQB course last summer my 1-4 scope lost it's seal and fogged up. I simply kept shooting as I could still see the targets and it remained accurate. When I got home I removed the scope and sent it in for service and the new one was in my hands in a couple weeks. I simply used a different rifle while the scope was gone and if I really needed to use that rifle I would have taken some glass off a different rifle. This isn't life or death stuff here, we have time to fix things that break and it doesn't ruin your day. Spending a couple hundred dollars for parts that are for the most part not needed and most likely will never be used makes little sense to me.
Of course everyone is free to spend their money on whatever they want and dress up their rifle however they want, I personally just don't see the point in spending a bunch of money on something that serves no practical purpose.
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onetwentyish
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