CCS stocks??

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So ! I've been looking at this stock system, once you have this installed how do you break it a part after? ( separate ,upper from lower?). From what that I have seen in pictures the buffer and bolt are one piece and would extend in to the buffer tube. So my question is/ would you have to remove the stock/ tube and then the bolt? Or am I missing something. The gas tube base on the bolt how would that pass through ?Also is the stock adjustable for length or is it open and closed only? I would like to know more before I drop coin for one, do they or will they function with out having to fiddle with different Ammo or buffers. I have a short ( 7.5 barrel) upper and want to build a PDW rifle. Or should I for go all this possible misery and just use a standard length tube stock set up? Thanks ! For any insight 's :wave::popCorn:
 
My CCS from NEA has only an open and closed position but I think the Troy version has multiple stops. I don't find it a big deal because even fully open, it's not quite long enough for me (6'1") but ergos are not what this stock is about.
 
The NEA stock requires separation of upper and lower. Two position only, open or closed. Original Troy CCS stocks were rebadged NEA. I'm 6' and find I can shoot mine perfectly comfortably.
 
Anyone know how to remove this stock? I've separated the upper and lower but cannot figure out how to disassemble the stock itself
 
Those CCS stocks do look pretty cool. After watching that video in the NEA thread with this stock collapsing after shooting a couple rounds didn't impress me. Anyone else have this issue with them?
 
The NEA stock requires separation of upper and lower. Two position only, open or closed. Original Troy CCS stocks were rebadged NEA. I'm 6' and find I can shoot mine perfectly comfortably.

Correction Troy PDW stocks have never been rebadged NEA CCS stocks!!!

gadget
 
Correction Troy PDW stocks have never been rebadged NEA CCS stocks!!!gadget
Correct me if I'm wrong Joe, but I was under the impression that in the early days Troy had a licensing agreement with NEA to build their PDW stocks? I know they had a similar agreement in place for their Vz-58 line of accessories like their handguard, etc...
 
Correct me if I'm wrong Joe, but I was under the impression that in the early days Troy had a licensing agreement with NEA to build their PDW stocks? I know they had a similar agreement in place for their Vz-58 line of accessories like their handguard, etc...

Troy made their own PDW stocks ( with ongoing product changes ) & they did purchase VZ-58 parts from NEA for resale in the USA, no licensing agreement existed between the two entities as far as I know !!

gadget
 
A year and a half doesn't seem that old. Did you notice the dude who posted "whoever does their machining does some pretty shoddy work, and i've seen everything from the notches being too shallow, to the roll pin holes on the butt of the stock being massively oversized to the point that the roll pins fall out on people. These are fun stocks, but even with the modifications i've made on mine, it will never be the rifle i use if my life is depending on it."
 
Personally I like the MVB Industries ARC stock.

It has a button that you depress (when you pull the charging handle back) that locks the buffer inside the tube so you can hinge open the upper without popping the front pin.

It also has a buffer that sleeves inside your standard bolt carrier......so you can use your standard bolt carrier.
 
Here's the MVB ARC stock referred to above. You can see the deployment button on the right side of the machined aluminium Butt-Plate. This is a very high quality stock which locks up tight both extended and collapsed. It uses a standard BCG, which means that it will work with most piston guns and pistol calibre BCGs. The biggest down-side of this stock (besides the price!) is the short length of pull. It is similar to the CCS and Troy stocks in that it is definitely shorter than the standard Carbine stock. As a result, the MVB ARC stock is best suited to use with irons or short eye-relief optics.


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Here's the LWRCI UCIW Ultra-Compact Carbine Stock installed on a 9mm carbine. It is actually quite short in the collapsed mode, but mimics the length of pull of a standard AR collapsing stock when extended. It uses a proprietary (shorter) Buffer Tube, with a flat-wire Spring and shortened Carbine Buffer. Otherwise, it uses a standard BCG and operating system. If you wish to run a pistol-calibre blow-back BCG, you will require a special heavy short Buffer from "Heavybuffers.com" (yes, they ship to Canada). I don't have an example of LWRCI's PDW Stock, so I can't comment other than to note that it uses a proprietary BCG and therefore won't work with piston guns or pistol calibre conversions, whereas the Ultra-Compact Carbine Stock will work with both.


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I also own one of the NEA CCS units and have handled the Troy PDW stock at SHOT Show. Both are essentially the same, although the Troy version is machined and finished to a much higher standard. Both use a proprietary BCG with an integrated buffer in order to reduce the Buffer Tube to the shortest possible length. Both suffer from the same shortcomings - an overly-short length of pull and incompatibility with piston guns or pistol calibre conversions. The MVB ARC shares the short length of pull, but at least it functions with piston guns and pistol BCGs.

Finally, here is one of the new crop of PDW stocks that made its debut at this year's SHOT Show. PDW stocks were a definite trend at SHOT 2016, with new examples from several manufacturers such as Battle Arms Development, Maxim Defense and others. I managed to pick up a "dealer sample" of the Maxim Defense stock on the last day of the show for a reduced price of $300 USD. The MSRP will be $450 USD, putting it firmly in MVB ARC and Troy territory cost-wise. The key difference with the Maxim stock is that it ships with a custom-length JP Silent Capture Operating Spring, which typically sells for $140 USD when sold separately. As a result of the JP Spring design, this PDW stock system is not compatible with proprietary BCGs such as Primary Weapon Systems (PWS) or pistol calibre conversions. Now the good news - at the expense of a slightly longer buffer tube than the NEA/Troy/LWRCI PDW stocks, the Maxim Defense system uses any standard BCG just like the MVB ARC stock. The difference is that the Maxim Defense stock extends to the full length of a standard carbine stock, giving a standard length-of-pull. Instead of being all scrunched up against the rear sight/optic, there is plenty of room for taller/bigger statured users. Hallelujah!! Finally, a PDW stock with a full length of pull! That alone, almost makes it worth the price of admission. The Maxim Defense stock is very nicely machined and finished - on par with the MVB ARC OR Troy PDW stocks. It should be noted however, that the Maxim stock is a bit "rattly", whereas the others all lock up tight. It is not weak or flimsy, the Maxim stock just has slightly looser tolerances.


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Hopefully the above helps shed some light on the various PDW stocks out there and their relative strenths and weaknesses. While my experience with these stocks is by no means complete, I have either owned or handled just about all of them at this point. My money is on the MVB ARC where a shorter eye relief will suffice, and on the Maxim Defense stock if a longer (eg. standard) length-of-pull is required. That said, the Battle Arms Development (BAD) stock looked a and felt pretty good, incorporating a carbon fibre check-rest into their design. All of that to say that no matter which you select, YMMV....

Cheers,
 
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Here's the MVB ARC stock referred to above. You can see the deployment button on the right side of the machined aluminium Butt-Plate. This is a very high quality stock which locks up tight both extended and collapsed. It uses a standard BCG, which means that it will work with most piston guns and pistol calibre BCGs. The biggest down-side of this stock (besides the price!) is the short length of pull. It is similar to the CCS and Troy stocks in that it is definitely shorter than the standard Carbine stock. As a result, the MVB ARC stock is best suited to use with irons or short eye-relief optics.


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Here's the LWRCI UCIW Ultra-Compact Carbine Stock installed on a 9mm carbine. It is actually quite short in the collapsed mode, but mimics the length of pull of a standard AR collapsing stock when extended. It uses a proprietary (shorter) Buffer Tube, with a flat-wire Spring and shortened Carbine Buffer. Otherwise, it uses a standard BCG and operating system. If you wish to run a pistol-calibre blow-back BCG, you will require a special heavy short Buffer from "Heavybuffers.com" (yes, they ship to Canada). I don't have an example of LWRCI's PDW Stock, so I can't comment other than to note that it uses a proprietary BCG and therefore won't work with piston guns or pistol calibre conversions, whereas the Ultra-Compact Carbine Stock will work with both.


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I also own one of the NEA CCS units and have handled the Troy PDW stock at SHOT Show. Both are essentially the same, although the Troy version is machined and finished to a much higher standard. Both use a proprietary BCG with an integrated buffer in order to reduce the Buffer Tube to the shortest possible length. Both suffer from the same shortcomings - an overly-short length of pull and incompatibility with piston guns or pistol calibre conversions. The MVB ARC shares the short length of pull, but at least it functions with piston guns and pistol BCGs.

Finally, here is one of the new crop of PDW stocks that made its debut at this year's SHOT Show. PDW stocks were a definite trend at SHOT 2016, with new examples from several manufacturers such as Battle Arms Development, Maxim Defense and others. I managed to pick up a "dealer sample" of the Maxim Defense stock on the last day of the show for a reduced price of $300 USD. The MSRP will be $450 USD, putting it firmly in MVB ARC and Troy territory cost-wise. The key difference with the Maxim stock is that it ships with a custom-length JP Silent Capture Operating Spring, which typically sells for $140 USD when sold separately. As a result of the JP Spring design, this PDW stock system is not compatible with proprietary BCGs such as Primary Weapon Systems (PWS) or pistol calibre conversions. Now the good news - at the expense of a slightly longer buffer tube than the NEA/Troy/LWRCI PDW stocks, the Maxim Defense system uses any standard BCG just like the MVB ARC stock. The difference is that the Maxim Defense stock extends to the full length of a standard carbine stock, giving a standard length-of-pull. Instead of being all scrunched up against the rear sight/optic, there is plenty of room for taller/bigger statured users. Hallelujah!! Finally, a PDW stock with a full length of pull! That alone, almost makes it worth the price of admission. The Maxim Defense stock is very nicely machined and finished - on par with the MVB ARC OR Troy PDW stocks. It should be noted however, that the Maxim stock is a bit "rattly", whereas the others all lock up tight. It is not weak or flimsy, the Maxim stock just has slightly looser tolerances.


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Hopefully the above helps shed some light on the various PDW stocks out there and their relative strenths and weaknesses. While my experience with these stocks is by no means complete, I have either owned or handled just about all of them at this point. My money is on the MVB ARC where a shorter eye relief will suffice, and on the Maxim Defense stock if a longer (eg. standard) length-of-pull is required. That said, the Battle Arms Development (BAD) stock looked a and felt pretty good, incorporating a carbon fibre check-rest into their design. All of that to say that no matter which you select, YMMV....

Cheers,

Excellent review but if I may point out that we at Troy introduced our new Tomahawk stock ( not sure how you missed it ;-) / - the new stock allows the use of the standard bolt carrier assembly & has a new molded polymer butt-plate with build in cheek piece / we have several versions available including one that fits the Troy M10A1. Price point for the Tomahawk stock is $299 US MSRP...















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Thanks guys! Wasn't aware of these other cool stock options. Thought that I had figured out what I wanted now the water's muddied ( lusting after them all now) going to have to study up more on these collapsible stock thinginys ,also save up some more coin!! Don't know if this is an addiction or affliction eather way I am hooked !!:ar15::canadaFlag:
 
Get a stock that's made well..you'll likely pay more for it but if you buy a stock based on "looks" and it rattles you won't be happy…..jmho
 
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