The most "Anti-Hunting" Province??

M12shooter said:
What he says... or the system in the USA. We're sadly headed that way...
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That is true unfortunately. Sad for the American hunter too because that is not what Teddy Roosevelt wanted when he set up the modern day conservation system in the US. He wanted all game to be for all Americans. He loathed the European model of game ownership by an elite few.
 
OP do you mean something like the pourvoiries in Quebec basically?

If so they add more regulation on top of what we have already, ban certain type of ammo or caliber for exemple.
You can even rent a cottage with power and some ATVs. Not really hunting in my book.
 
the spank said:
That is true unfortunately. Sad for the American hunter too because that is not what Teddy Roosevelt wanted when he set up the modern day conservation system in the US. He wanted all game to be for all Americans. He loathed the European model of game ownership by an elite few.
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Let's not get too arrogant here. Many states in the US have excellent game management and we could learn from some of their practices, not the least of which is consequences and fines for poachers.
There are quite a few states in the US besides Texas.
 
Dake21 said:
OP do you mean something like the pourvoiries in Quebec basically?

If so they add more regulation on top of what we have already, ban certain type of ammo or caliber for exemple.
You can even rent a cottage with power and some ATVs. Not really hunting in my book.
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Pourvoiries can't ban ammo or caliber. They can strongly suggest you use a certain type of ammo or caliber but thats about it. Also how does renting a cottage make it any less of a hunt?
 
Superbrad said:
Building a small self sustained environment on your own land and fencing it in and monitoring "your" herd that the point that you know the age of your deer and chose which one you will shoot every year isn't hunting...... And it is doing nothing to preserve hunting..... I suppose you fish in your aquarium too?
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"Fishing in his aquarium" sure fit's,doesn't it? It's right up there with "hunting at the zoo" which the OP doesn't seem to have a problem doing. Thankfully,Ontario banned "high fence" hunting enclaves decades ago. Most other provinces have done so,too. Anyone that would hunt or fish inside a controlled environment isn't a hunter or angler,at all. I call them "shoppers". We see them at the grocery stores wearing their designer clothes,driving their trendy imported cars and sipping lattes....also known as Liberals.
 
bearkilr said:
Let's not get too arrogant here. Many states in the US have excellent game management and we could learn from some of their practices, not the least of which is consequences and fines for poachers.
There are quite a few states in the US besides Texas.
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You obviously haven't hunted waterfowl in the US?

And I would agree 100% with the lack of enforcement issues here.
 
GuiltySpark said:
I don't see why you need assault rifles for hunting deer.
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Is that a serious statement? I hope not, but if it is, consider that even Jack O'Connor was partial to the semi-auto carbine for hunting deer in the thick stuff. Despite disadvantages, those are negated by the semi-auto's ability to fire a quick follow-up without breaking the firing grip, or without the need to lift one's face from the comb, an undeniable advantage when the range is short, and the action quick. There's a reason why the most popular sporting rifle in the US has become the AR-15 based rifle, which minimize the disadvantages of the semi-auto, while optimizing the advantages. While I prefer bolt guns myself, I'm not blind to the advantages of other choices, nor do I choose to ignore the bolt action's martial history, in which they, very effectively, filled the role of assault rifles. While there is nothing wrong with preferring manual action rifles for any particular duty, your comment comes across as meaning that since you don't "need" a semi-auto rifle, neither should anyone else. The black powder rifleman might argue you don't "need" an action that doesn't require a rock for ignition, and the archer might argue you don't "need" to burn smelly gun powder at all. One should walk cautiously when opining what is "needed" by others.
 
boomer said:
is that a serious statement? I hope not, but if it is, consider that even jack o'connor was partial to the semi-auto carbine for hunting deer in the thick stuff. Despite disadvantages, those are negated by the semi-auto's ability to fire a quick follow-up without breaking the firing grip, or without the need to lift one's face from the comb, an undeniable advantage when the range is short, and the action quick. There's a reason why the most popular sporting rifle in the us has become the ar-15 based rifle, which minimize the disadvantages of the semi-auto, while optimizing the advantages. While i prefer bolt guns myself, i'm not blind to the advantages of other choices, nor do i choose to ignore the bolt action's martial history, in which they, very effectively, filled the role of assault rifles. While there is nothing wrong with preferring manual action rifles for any particular duty, your comment comes across as meaning that since you don't "need" a semi-auto rifle, neither should anyone else. The black powder rifleman might argue you don't "need" an action that doesn't require a rock for ignition, and the archer might argue you don't "need" to burn smelly gun powder at all. One should walk cautiously when opining what is "needed" by others.

Well said!!
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GOUMFACH said:
Pourvoiries can't ban ammo or caliber. They can strongly suggest you use a certain type of ammo or caliber but thats about it. Also how does renting a cottage make it any less of a hunt?
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I came accross one that said they wont accept the use of soft point ammo. Not sure of the legal definition of things, but the guy in the video clearly said he wont allow the use of soft point ammo.

No renting doesnt make it less of a hunt, I meant some cottages are like palace with lots of comfort, it takes away the wild aspect of hunting in its pure sense in my opinion.

Just found the link http://www.pourvoirielechasseur.com/soft_point/index.php
 
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Fishing in an aquarium...I like that idea. Maybe growing your own baitfish and then using them to catch wild fish would be a good first step. Is that ok to do? Or do we have to net millions of minnows from wild sources and sell them as bait?

There are many Canadian lakes all across the country stocked with fish raised in hatcheries. All were wild caught at some point and the eggs harvested. You guys against fish stocking too? Most lakes are just really big aquariums. For example the thousands of pocket lakes across Manitoba and Ontario and a good portion of the easily accessible ones are overfished to the point that rod and reel fishing may produce no fish for the entire outing.

How will we prevent overfishing of such areas so that people who want to catch fish are satisfied? Catch and release only? It is a known fact that between 5-30% of fish released will die. What about fish draws like Alberta has? Or we could just make fishing licenses more expensive to the point where enough poeple are priced out of the market enough to decrease the fishing demand and cause an increase in fish stocks? All are solutions to a problem.

Some people may be happy simply out on the water catching anything. Those people are called boaters. Likewise some hunters may be happy even when they shoot nothing. Those people are called hikers or wildlife viewers. But deep down inside what separates us hunters and fishermen from everyone else is that we expect to bave something to show for the time we put in, whether that be a catch or a kill.

In the United States during Teddy Roosevelts presidency from 1901-1909 he helped conserve 230 million acres as public land. Which at the time seemed like a lot given the population in 1900 of 72,212,168. However in 2000 the population grew to 282.2 million. Today in the U.S. there is about 1.5 people for every acre set aside for wildlife.

I bet Teddy Roosevelt would welcome any private investment in conservation give. The way things have been going...in fact, he would likely encourage it. Times change and we need to change the way we do things to reflect that.
 
medvedqc said:
i thought West started with Yukon lol ...
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Not much west of the Yukon that's Canada. ;)
Manitoba is generally considered a prairie province, along with AB and SK, and also the start of western Canada.
Sorry, you guys from the territories and Ontario don't get to play. We all know that everyone in the Yukon is from Whitehorse and Ontario is Toronto. :)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Canada
 
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umchorn2 said:
Fishing in an aquarium...I like that idea. Maybe growing your own baitfish and then using them to catch wild fish would be a good first step. Is that ok to do? Or do we have to net millions of minnows from wild sources and sell them as bait?

There are many Canadian lakes all across the country stocked with fish raised in hatcheries. All were wild caught at some point and the eggs harvested. You guys against fish stocking too? Most lakes are just really big aquariums. For example the thousands of pocket lakes across Manitoba and Ontario and a good portion of the easily accessible ones are overfished to the point that rod and reel fishing may produce no fish for the entire outing.

How will we prevent overfishing of such areas so that people who want to catch fish are satisfied? Catch and release only? It is a known fact that between 5-30% of fish released will die. What about fish draws like Alberta has? Or we could just make fishing licenses more expensive to the point where enough poeple are priced out of the market enough to decrease the fishing demand and cause an increase in fish stocks? All are solutions to a problem.

Some people may be happy simply out on the water catching anything. Those people are called boaters. Likewise some hunters may be happy even when they shoot nothing. Those people are called hikers or wildlife viewers. But deep down inside what separates us hunters and fishermen from everyone else is that we expect to bave something to show for the time we put in, whether that be a catch or a kill.

In the United States during Teddy Roosevelts presidency from 1901-1909 he helped conserve 230 million acres as public land. Which at the time seemed like a lot given the population in 1900 of 72,212,168. However in 2000 the population grew to 282.2 million. Today in the U.S. there is about 1.5 people for every acre set aside for wildlife.

I bet Teddy Roosevelt would welcome any private investment in conservation give. The way things have been going...in fact, he would likely encourage it. Times change and we need to change the way we do things to reflect that.[/QUOTE


You're a troll. You are accomplishing nothing with your posts except for making people ticked off and proving that you're an elitist moron. Your views and personality are a plague to the hunting community.
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Superbrad said:
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Since when is Manitoba a western province anyways?
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medvedqc said:
i thought West started with Yukon lol ...
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Hey now, West is a statement relative to the location of the speaker, and although Manitoba is the eastern most prairie province, we are decidedly west of 6 others. The fact that the CFL seems unaware of this fact is of no consequence; putting Winnipeg in the Eastern conference is a win-win, any year that the Bombers are in the Grey Cup, the game is won by the West. Since Manitoba once again has an established population of grizzly bears, I hereby declare Manitoba a Western province.
 
bearkilr said:
Not much west of the Yukon that's Canada. ;)
Manitoba is generally considered a prairie province, along with AB and SK, and also the start of western Canada.
Sorry, you guys from the territories and Ontario don't get to play. We all know that everyone in the Yukon is from Whitehorse and Ontario is Toronto. :)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Canada
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Boomer said:
Hey now, West is a statement relative to the location of the speaker, and although Manitoba is the eastern most prairie province, we are decidedly west of 6 others. The fact that the CFL seems unaware of this fact is of no consequence; putting Winnipeg in the Eastern conference is a win-win, any year that the Bombers are in the Grey Cup, the game is won by the West. Since Manitoba once again has an established population of grizzly bears, I hereby declare Manitoba a Western province.
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Let's not let the fact that a good portion of Ontario is further west than a large part of Manitoba get in the way of anything....... :)
 
medvedqc said:
i thought West started with Yukon lol ...
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High point in the Rockies. In the West, the rivers flow into the Pacific Ocean. The rest don't.

Can you tell where I grew up? :)

Here's my view. If you want to put up a high fence, then you better bloody well have bought and paid for the animals inside it, otherwise you are capturing wild animals for your own use, and I would happily see you busted for it. Have all your permits in place, all your livestock properly tagged and identifiable, and don't try to fantasize that what you are doing inside the fence, equals "Hunting".

Funny that the subject of stocking ponds come up. That is another case of laying money on the barrelhead, if you wish to stock your own pond. Oh. And having the proper and legal permits in place. You won't get permission here in BC to capture wild stock to stock your pond with.

And, to the weenie that dragged 'assault rifles' into this, remember, that once the idiots get anything they think is one banned, then they start after the 'high powered sniper rifles'. Chucking someone else's interests under the bus does not protect your own. It does, however, aid those that would see guns banned entirely.

Cheers
Trev (who would happily take an 'assault' rifle out coyote hunting, thank you very much, even if it wasn't actually one!)
 
Superbrad said:
Let's not let the fact that a good portion of Ontario is further west than a large part of Manitoba get in the way of anything....... :)
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Can't argue with that, Manitoba's eastern boundary should drop straight south from Hudson Bay, correcting the blunder, and it would make many in NW Ontario just as happy. Manitoba would have never attempted to steal Bruce Montague's home. That's an eastern thing.
 
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