The most "Anti-Hunting" Province??

I think, based on the OP title that the text wandered away from where i thought it was going.

Being "anti" philosopically has much more to do with the political party in power, sometimes influenced by the senior bureaucrats in the departments.

I think most could agree that all the provinces are pro revenue. Their strategies are about raising money from license and fees, promoting fall tourism, and paying for the natural resourse management plus contributing to general revenue.

Here in BC, one sees CO's on hyway game checks. The purpose being to fine for any preceived offense. In the bush they are endangered/extinct, in what shoud be their habitat if wildlife management was the goal. The regs change almost not at all from year to year. They are 70-100 pages of ads, with 20 pages of regulation. Overhunted and weather killed areas become limited entry, to generate income, never to return to general open season. Strategies in management are about hunter/dollar retention. Wildlife is on its own.
 
After getting this far in the thread I decided to chime in. My wife and I are living in Onoway Alberta, we have three acres of land and we want to sell in order to move to SASK. We want to buy at least 360 acres of land if we get enough for our place here. We would like to do something good as you put it. If you have any advice for us, please send me a PM. We are hoping to put our place on the market very soon or maybe now.
umchorn2 said:
Why travel hundreds or thousands of kilometers to find game when you can have it on your own property. You shouldn't have to travel far to hunt. It should be accessible and affordable to all. Land holding neighbors who provide any type of value for conservation are hard to find, notwithstanding, big land owners who practice strict game management or have enough land near you to produce ample huntable wildlife populations aren't exactly common these days...do we agree?

A fence and species within those areas is a bad thing? Not too long ago game was abundant in areas right now that have few species or animals. Can you guess what happened? People kept going north to find game and depleted those areas as well. Nobody remebered to or could afford to save a few areas close to where they lived to supply their game? You should be supportive of any conservation oriented activity by members such as myself. There are so few people these days who truly value wildlife and are willing to acquire land needed to produce wildlife outside of a zoo.

Are there any successful game managers or landholders that want to provide stories of how thier hard work and investment in conservation has provided improving conditions for hunters and wildlife? Anyone?? Surely there must be some one on this forum that can support my initiatives.
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silver 55 said:
Actually, if you owned an full automatic in 1977, you are grandfathered in. My understanding of the law anyways.
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Yup, I coulda had a SMG for less than $300, but knew I couldn't afford to feed it so passed. Just before C-68 became the law of the land I sold an AK and an FAL, so I missed that boat as well. Jump ahead to today, and the only 12 something I'm allowed is a 12.6 prohibited handgun. When I visited a fellow who had a belt fed MG-42 in his rec-room and a MAC-10 squirreled away with his handguns, I realized I'd made a mistake. When it looked like Obama was going to attempt to stop American civilian AR production, I bought one before they became unobtainable, but now I could have purchased a Colt Canada version. Oh well, I'm in the game anyway, even though there is no guarantee that anyone will be grandfathered next time around.
 
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umchorn2 said:
Fishing in an aquarium...I like that idea. Maybe growing your own baitfish and then using them to catch wild fish would be a good first step. Is that ok to do? Or do we have to net millions of minnows from wild sources and sell them as bait?

There are many Canadian lakes all across the country stocked with fish raised in hatcheries. All were wild caught at some point and the eggs harvested. You guys against fish stocking too? Most lakes are just really big aquariums. For example the thousands of pocket lakes across Manitoba and Ontario and a good portion of the easily accessible ones are overfished to the point that rod and reel fishing may produce no fish for the entire outing.

How will we prevent overfishing of such areas so that people who want to catch fish are satisfied? Catch and release only? It is a known fact that between 5-30% of fish released will die. What about fish draws like Alberta has? Or we could just make fishing licenses more expensive to the point where enough poeple are priced out of the market enough to decrease the fishing demand and cause an increase in fish stocks? All are solutions to a problem.

Some people may be happy simply out on the water catching anything. Those people are called boaters. Likewise some hunters may be happy even when they shoot nothing. Those people are called hikers or wildlife viewers. But deep down inside what separates us hunters and fishermen from everyone else is that we expect to bave something to show for the time we put in, whether that be a catch or a kill.

In the United States during Teddy Roosevelts presidency from 1901-1909 he helped conserve 230 million acres as public land. Which at the time seemed like a lot given the population in 1900 of 72,212,168. However in 2000 the population grew to 282.2 million. Today in the U.S. there is about 1.5 people for every acre set aside for wildlife.

I bet Teddy Roosevelt would welcome any private investment in conservation give. The way things have been going...in fact, he would likely encourage it. Times change and we need to change the way we do things to reflect that.
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You really seem to have issues with going afield and returning home empty handed! Maybe you need to develop hunting and fishing skills as opposed to developing properties into fish and game farms? I hunt both public and private lands and I could not measure in % the amount of game I harvest vs that which I see and I harvest as much as I can possibly use from season to season. If you are that frustrated with your lack of success maybe you should take up target shooting and buy farmed game meat from a butcher shop?
 
the spank said:
You really seem to have issues with going afield and returning home empty handed! Maybe you need to develop hunting and fishing skills as opposed to developing properties into fish and game farms? I hunt both public and private lands and I could not measure in % the amount of game I harvest vs that which I see and I harvest as much as I can possibly use from season to season. If you are that frustrated with your lack of success maybe you should take up target shooting and buy farmed game meat from a butcher shop?
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Well put.... Just got my deer sausage back from the butcher..... Enough meat that my two boys and I could eat it every fifth day for a year (I give lots away, so won't be doing that).....

I have one turkey left in the freezer, but will get 3 more this year..... Not to mention about a dozen 3 person grouse suppers (my favourite) , the odd rabbit stew, and what I could have in waterfowl (i keep enough geese for jerky, and give the rest away)....

Seems I am doing ok without fencing my land....

Wonder what op will do when CWD hits his herd..... Open the gate and let a few more in?....
 
Superbrad, you claim to own 2 hunting properties. How many acres do you own?

I'm happy to hear that you and "the spank" are so successful at hunting. I'm sure there are many people reading this that must feel frustrated with how difficult hunting is becoming. Many of the areas I used to hunt as a boy, which were fairly good, are now either gone or devoid of wildlife. Because of this I felt that it would be wise to invest in my own land and set it aside for what I love to do.

Do either of you feel that we should not worry about losing our hunting heritage since there is crown land to hunt? That we should not own our own land to make sure that we have wildlife and a future for our passion?
 
umchorn2 said:
Superbrad, you claim to own 2 hunting properties. How many acres do you own?

I'm happy to hear that you and "the spank" are so successful at hunting. I'm sure there are many people reading this that must feel frustrated with how difficult hunting is becoming. Many of the areas I used to hunt as a boy, which were fairly good, are now either gone or devoid of wildlife. Because of this I felt that it would be wise to invest in my own land and set it aside for what I love to do.

Do either of you feel that we should not worry about losing our hunting heritage since there is crown land to hunt? That we should not own our own land to make sure that we have wildlife and a future for our passion?
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I own 62 acres at camp.... I own 19 acres back home and I also own another acre adjacent to crown, which is 800 acres......

Also, I have access to waterways for waterfowl (these are public)....

My boys will never be without a hunt unless they are lazy, in which case, I didn't do my job as a father.......

And the game they hunt will be free range, true hunting...... Not a deer judged on antler size or genetics...... A true wild animal.....

We won the giant pumpkin contest at the fair a couple years back...... I grew that under controlled circumstances as well...... I certainly don't feel myself to be superior to a guy that grows a pumpkin naturally..... I just put more effort in..... Because I wanted to......
 
Superbrad, I'm interested...how giant exactly was this pumpkin and how many deer do you and your hunting partners shoot a year in camp and including the 800 acres of crown?
 
The pumpkin weighed in at almost 400 pounds....... As for the deer my partners and I take, I would put mine at damn near 100%.... Theirs, likely 50/50......l... But that is because I put in more effort than they do.....
 
I have no issue with owning and developing your own property for wildlife but it quits being wildlife once it is high fenced. Then it becomes game farming. I have a friend on here who has about 275 acres of property. He has many tree stands, trails , food plots etc but his land is wide open with the exception of the original paige wire fences put in to separate farms decades ago. Everything on his land comes and goes as it pleases. He spends a small fortune feeding the critters on his land but he hasn't corralled them in and his neighbours often miles fown the road recognize deer that come and go through his place and theirs. I have never heard him talk of antler measurements though I am sure he knows what a few of the bigger ones he has taken scored but that is not what the game is about to him or I for that matter. I hunt for many reasons but first and foremost is to enjoy the rewards on my plate so I would rather something smaller and younger for prime eating. Having my own place to hunt and enjoy would be great but putting an 8' or 9' fence around 1/4 section of land and stocking up with the taxpayers wildlife for my own personal use is not going to happen.
 
Boomer said:
The demarcation between rivers that flow north and rivers that flow east to the Atlantic is in Ontario, once again suggesting Manitoba is a western province.
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Actually all the rivers that flow into the Great lakes flow east to the Atlantic, look at a map for Lake Superior
 
Uhhh...Nope. Just more West than Ontario, really. If they flow North, = Central Canada, add some of the miniscule few that join the Mississippi (South, still not the Pacific) system to that too.

Not into the Pacific, not Western.

The Newfs think we're ALL "out West".

Cheers
Trev
 
Boomer said:
Hey now, West is a statement relative to the location of the speaker, and although Manitoba is the eastern most prairie province, we are decidedly west of 6 others. The fact that the CFL seems unaware of this fact is of no consequence; putting Winnipeg in the Eastern conference is a win-win, any year that the Bombers are in the Grey Cup, the game is won by the West. Since Manitoba once again has an established population of grizzly bears, I hereby declare Manitoba a Western province.
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Ok Mike that is a valid point if Grizzly are now back for good welcome to the west ...
 
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