Can I use .40 cal mags filed with 9mm in IPSC ?

Thank you Slavex. I appreciate your insight. Very knowledgeable man you are. It would be an interesting appeal of the DQ. Better get my lawyer lol.
 
MustangFrank said:
Thank you for the clarification. I think the spirit of the rule is obvious in order to even the playing field although I am not sure that is a guiding principal in IPSC. There is a lot of gamesmanship but still within the rules so the playing field is not always even. IPSC says not to load more than 10 and I think that is clear.

Canadian law is a little different on this subject and has been discussed at length in the forums. This is fair in order to let LEO's compete with issue gear rather than have to go out and purchase a whole new collection of mags. We can all count to ten. If someone breaks a rule, then they should be dealt with accordingly. I'm not about to start quoting all the bulletins and CC rules. IPSC says ten. Period. Thank you for the clarification. Same as shooting 7 rounds with a revolver.
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You fire the 7th shot with revolver your getting procedurals. Not DQ'ed though.
 
no appeal of the DQ would go through right now, as the rule is the rule. I just think the rule should change. But I doubt there are enough people who would care to support it.
 
ipscgraz said:
I have RO'd a stage with exactly this.

The CRO beat me to checking the timer to see exactly when the reload was. We both thought it was too many rounds out of one mag, and the couple second delay after 13 rounds showed us when the reload was.

DQ.

Patch'em with no score. Next shooter.
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You still score the stage before patching on any dq.
 
Hi Sean
Under what rules numbers would give the DQ?
Freedom Ventures said:
Welcome back to IPSC; the biggest and most popular handgun shooting sport in Canada!

First Question:
IPSC Canada mandates a maximum capacity of 10 rounds loaded for all magazines; regardless of division, gun type, magazine, etc.
http://www.ipsc-canada.org/exemption_letter.pdf
Like the instructor said; fire 12 rounds without a reload and we know you are breaking the rules and you'll be DQ'ed.

Second Question:
You can use your magazine that holds more than 10, but you may only load 10. Our officials are not Law Enforcement and do not go out of their way to enforce Canadian law.
(They also don't ask for PALs, ATTs, Certificates, etc.)
However - if, for some reason - the officials suspect that you shot more than 10 rounds out of a magazine;
the magazine will probably be inspected and you'll be DQed when the 11th round fits in it as it will be the proof that you did fire more than 10 out of that magazine.

Knowing this, the choice of what you do remains up to you.
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Gosh this is getting complicated. It was already explained in your previous posts that it would be o.k. to just load the mags to 10 rounds so as to be in compliance with the IPSC bulletin. Keeping in mind the rule of issuing procedurals for shooting more than 6 rounds in a revolver, what would the DQ be for ? Where did unsportsman like conduct come from ?
 
MustangFrank said:
Gosh this is getting complicated. It was already explained in your previous posts that it would be o.k. to just load the mags to 10 rounds so as to be in compliance with the IPSC bulletin. Keeping in mind the rule of issuing procedurals for shooting more than 6 rounds in a revolver, what would the DQ be for ? Where did unsportsman like conduct come from ?
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Here is the rule:

10.6.3 Other persons may be expelled from the range for conduct which a Range Officer deems to be unacceptable. Examples include, but are not limited to, failing to comply with the reasonable directions of a Match Official, interference with the operation of a course of fire and/or a competitor's attempt thereof, and any other behavior likely to bring the sport into disrepute.

I highlighted relevant parts and Sea explained the reasoning earlier. There is a risk of violating local law, given a National exemption to 10 rounds in all divisions. So, unacceptable, wether it was intentional or unintentional.

Revolver example is completely different, you are under capacity limit for handgun.
 
euxx said:
Here is the rule:

10.6.3 Other persons may be expelled from the range for conduct which a Range Officer deems to be unacceptable. Examples include, but are not limited to, failing to comply with the reasonable directions of a Match Official, interference with the operation of a course of fire and/or a competitor's attempt thereof, and any other behavior likely to bring the sport into disrepute.



I highlighted relevant parts and Sea explained the reasoning earlier. There is a risk of violating local law, given a National exemption to 10 rounds in all divisions. So, unacceptable, wether it was intentional or unintentional.

Revolver example is completely different, you are under capacity limit for handgun.
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I must be thick or something, so please have patience, but what exactly is the infraction ? 10 rnds in a .40 mag or using a .marked .40 mag in a 9mm pistol ? Obviously using an unmarked magazine that holds more than 10 rounds of the chosen ammo ( 9mm ) is a prohibited device. I get that. I also get that it is ok to load 10 rounds only to stay within IPSC rules. So what exactly is the infraction.

Your quote of the rules sounds like the Range Master could DQ me for wearing a pink shirt if he doesn't like it. That is a huge stretch concerning what someone believes is unacceptable. Thanks and sorry if I am just not getting your point.
 
I Think the only way to use .40s&w magazines with 9mm ammo is to shoot a match in the USA where 15 rounds can be loaded in production division. My understanding is its illegal to use a magazine that will hold more then 10 rounds in a pistol thus the RO could DQ you for breaking the Canadian federal law and for not abiding by IPSC Canadian 10 round magazine exemption.
 
USPSA Production is 10 rounds, USA IPSC is 15.
Law says you can load more than 10 rounds of 9mm in a 40 mag (currently at least). So if using a 40 mag and you only load 10 but someone checks after thinking you may have shot 11 out of the mag, you're pooched. Even though you aren't actually bringing the sport in to disrepute, it's what our exemption allows for.
To be safe I would not use 40 cal mags in a 9mm gun, period, unless you have them blocked to 10 rounds. Or lobby your Zone rep to lobby your Section Coord to lobby Sean (our RD) to lobby IPSC World to have our exemption changed, or something like that.
 
Clear as mud. Thanks. Any further comment might sound argumentative and that is not my intention as well as very unsportsmanlike. :confused: On another note, there are a few people who need to re acquaint themselves with the Criminal code before offering opinions about legalities outside of IPSC.
 
Wow... Dq is harsh for this... Especially since some 10 mags can hold 11 if you press hard enough, though they probably wouldn't seat.

There are so many other more appropriate options if the action is considered accidental
 
Onagoth said:
Wow... Dq is harsh for this... Especially since some 10 mags can hold 11 if you press hard enough, though they probably wouldn't seat.

There are so many other more appropriate options if the action is considered accidental
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Maybe harsh, but someone who brings .40 cal mags for his 9mm gun is aware that his mags can hold more than 10, and we all supposed to know about region excemption. So, to an extent it is a deliberate act, which has risk of ipsc being shut down for the whole region.
 
euxx said:
Maybe harsh, but someone who brings .40 cal mags for his 9mm gun is aware that his mags can hold more than 10, and we all supposed to know about region excemption. So, to an extent it is a deliberate act, which has risk of ipsc being shut down for the whole region.
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Why on earth would IPSC be shut down for a whole region ?
 
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