Rifle Shooting Extemely Far Right

Thanks for all the reply guys. I have an old set of Burris rings I believe and the other are cheap ones from Amazon. Both for the 11mm dovetail and both have been on previous rifles with no issues.

The rifle was new although purchased on the EE. All indications would lead me to believe that this reputable member was being honest and the rifle was unfired. The barrel was loose, to the point I could move it back and forth. I torqued the action screws to 32 inch pounds tightening them evenly.

I can confirm that the scope was installed correction with the elevation turret at the top and the windage at the side. I have owned 10 - 15 rifles over the years, all with scopes and I've never had a problem. I think we can rule out installation error although I have installed scopes sideways in my newbie days.

I did think the dovetail may have been cut off centre. I had a Mauser 96 like this (drilled and tapped off centre by a drunken gunsmith years ago) and I fixed the issue with angleloc rings; however, in that case I could not get the rifle boresighted without running out of windage so I knew that the mounts were off centre. With this rifle I am able to line up the scope with the boresighter (or simply looking down the bore with the bolt removed) yet the rifle was shooting way to the right. Adjusted windage all the way left and it was still not on target. Its almost as if something is causing these rounds to be spit off to the right but I cannot come up with an explanation for this.

I'm going to go out one more time to see if I can get this thing shooting properly. Otherwise its going back to CZ to be fixed or back to the original owner.
 
OldSavage said:
Thanks for all the reply guys. I have an old set of Burris rings I believe and the other are cheap ones from Amazon. Both for the 11mm dovetail and both have been on previous rifles with no issues.

The rifle was new although purchased on the EE. All indications would lead me to believe that this reputable member was being honest and the rifle was unfired. The barrel was loose, to the point I could move it back and forth. I torqued the action screws to 32 inch pounds tightening them evenly.

I can confirm that the scope was installed correction with the elevation turret at the top and the windage at the side. I have owned 10 - 15 rifles over the years, all with scopes and I've never had a problem. I think we can rule out installation error although I have installed scopes sideways in my newbie days.

I did think the dovetail may have been cut off centre. I had a Mauser 96 like this (drilled and tapped off centre by a drunken gunsmith years ago) and I fixed the issue with angleloc rings; however, in that case I could not get the rifle boresighted without running out of windage so I knew that the mounts were off centre. With this rifle I am able to line up the scope with the boresighter (or simply looking down the bore with the bolt removed) yet the rifle was shooting way to the right. Adjusted windage all the way left and it was still not on target. Its almost as if something is causing these rounds to be spit off to the right but I cannot come up with an explanation for this.

I'm going to go out one more time to see if I can get this thing shooting properly. Otherwise its going back to CZ to be fixed or back to the original owner.
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What previous rifles were these rings installed on??

R
 
I'd suspect that the muzzle has a ding at the crown. Propellant gases blowing by one side of the bullet as it leaves the muzzle can push a bullet a long ways off straight forward.
 
The rings I have were previously installed on a BRNO and NS522. I didn't try the 3/8s rings I have as I assume these won't work. These rings and scopes worked flawlessly previously.

I have thought about adjustable rings but I checked the accuracy of the rifle by aiming at the target to the left and tracking on the right target. Group looked like buckshot out of a 410 so adjustable rings will only give me an inaccurate rifle.

I have not spent much time inspecting the crown and will do so this evening.
 
Weaver makes a set of rings comparable to those fuggly Millets, but they
look soooo much better.

Curious to see the outcome of this fiasco.
 
OldSavage said:
The rings I have were previously installed on a BRNO and NS522. I didn't try the 3/8s rings I have as I assume these won't work. These rings and scopes worked flawlessly previously.

I have thought about adjustable rings but I checked the accuracy of the rifle by aiming at the target to the left and tracking on the right target. Group looked like buckshot out of a 410 so adjustable rings will only give me an inaccurate rifle.

I have not spent much time inspecting the crown and will do so this evening.
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Don't norinco have 3/8" dovetails.
And what brno has 11mm ?
You state these are the rings you previously had on other guns. Neither of these have 11 mm.
Are you sure the rings from the other guns are for 11mm?
R
 
Take another scope with you..........just to eliminate the optics.

My 'Merican gave me a run for my sanity trying to find rings that would fit
them CZ grooves.
Drove me battchit crazy.

If all else fails, turn the rings 180 degrees and see if the POA wanders over
the other way.
If it does, you have found your answer.

I bought a Level Level Level kit under the disguise of a facia rosa and have come
to realize things aren't as they appear to be.
I've used the level on the bases and found the few I've just put on canted from
the front to the back or vice-versy.
Had to play musical bases or rings to get them in the center of the bubble.......two fold.
 
I tried turning the rings 180 degrees as well. The original mounting was done on my bench. I checked level and ran the lapping bars through to make sure all was good with the world.
 
had the same problem with a cheaper .22. you know your scope is good, rings are good. I centered my scope reticle in a v block. made a bunch of temporary pop can shims for the base. bore sight, and add shims to the base till bore and reticle are together. this will show where the problem is and how bad. on mine the base was cut canted to barrel center.
 
I wonder if that series uses a 3/8 inch dovetail instead of the 11mm?
I take your point that when you bore sight the cross hairs line up, so it makes me suspect that it is crown / end of bore issue.

One last thing - is the barrel bent slightly? They can flex to a point where when you bore sight it, it appears centered, but the bullet will deflect in an odd way.

edit: I re-read your posts....does the bore sighting align with the cross hairs of the scope or does it not align?

One other thought- you said you tried 2 scopes.... with SOME scopes the adjustments are the reverse of "normal" scopes. I got caught like this once...drove me nutz till I figured out I was adjusting to make the issue worse instead of better.
 
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So let's try something. Can you get it hitting paper at all if you aim to a point off to the side? Or tape up a few targets all beside each other.

Then aim to the one on the far left. That way your shots should still hit one of the targets. Shoot a group and see if it even groups remotely well.

I too use the bore method to sight in, and it rarely takes me more than four shots to get zero, five tops, unless something is funny.

If you can see the target in the scope reticle and through the bore, then you should be hitting the target, no doubt. Probably would be a little low, depending on the distance, but you know that.

If you can't get it to group, even way off to the side, send her back. With a crooked dovetail, or bad rings/mount, etc, you'll still group decently. With poor mounting or even with the scope installed 90 degrees off, it will still hit about where the bore is pointed, so if you get the reticle aimed on the spot you see in the bore but don't hit anywhere near it, you have other serious problems. Maybe the crown is nasty? A bent barrel could be it too, but if it's bent much you should see it
 
I'm getting a lot of responses. I will keep you in the loop as to my progress. Below are some responses to what you have mentioned.

I think I mention it above but I did get it to group and it was horrible (410 shotgun like).

With regards to turning the adjustment the wrong way? I followed the indication on the scope and tracked the bullet where possible so that is not it either.

I can get the crosshairs and boresight to line up (confirmed through looking down the bore) but the rifle shoots far to the right. This is not a matter of getting the boresight and scope lines up.
 
Does the POI remain unchanged with open sights? This may help determine if base/scope or rifle related.
 
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