non lever 30-30
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I did this with a buddy of mine a while back. Did some test runs on yhe loads and got really good results. Seems to me tha we stuck with posted load for the weight of the bullets. The rifle was a single shot so I loaded the bullets far out so they would not cycle in a lever gun.
You'll want to find out what the twist rate of the barrel is and match that to the proper range of bullet weights. And that likely means you'll find your happiness in the range of 130 to 170gn bullets. Other than that I don't see why you can't load 'em up to peak SAMMI pressure and use the pointy and boat tail higher BC bullets.
Sounds like a good project. I load surplus FMJ because they are cheap.
If you are thinking of hunting with the result, remember that bullets are designed to expand properly at a certain velocity. Not all pointy bullets are the same. The Nosler partition would be good, I think.
If you are thinking of hunting with the result, remember that bullets are designed to expand properly at a certain velocity. Not all pointy bullets are the same. The Nosler partition would be good, I think.
I would definitely not hot load a hinge actioned single shot..... While singles are known to be robust, that reputation is earned due to Ruger #1 and Winchester high walls etc......
I second the nosler partition or the accubond....
I second the nosler partition or the accubond....
I loaded some 165g hornady SPBT interlocks for my 30-30
They were defiantly to long to cycle threw a Marlin 336. But I just single loaded them.
They shot good. But for the distances a 30-30 should be shooting game ( - 200yrds) IMO.
They don't do much better then my 170g FP hornadays do
No bullet is going to make 30-30 a 300-400 yrd gun IMO
I pump my 170g hornadays with 37.5g of levereveolution pretty hot for a 30-30
They were defiantly to long to cycle threw a Marlin 336. But I just single loaded them.
They shot good. But for the distances a 30-30 should be shooting game ( - 200yrds) IMO.
They don't do much better then my 170g FP hornadays do
No bullet is going to make 30-30 a 300-400 yrd gun IMO
I pump my 170g hornadays with 37.5g of levereveolution pretty hot for a 30-30
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I used a Savage 219 in 30-30 for several seasons. Either the 150 gr or 110 gr Barnes TTSX worked well. For deer, the 110 TTSX worked like a charm over 35 grains of H4895.
For the Savage 340, I just trim the case back far enough to seat the 110 TTSX in the mag, and load over 34 gr of H4895. Also worked great (as two deer in the freezer will attest to).
For the Savage 340, I just trim the case back far enough to seat the 110 TTSX in the mag, and load over 34 gr of H4895. Also worked great (as two deer in the freezer will attest to).
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Sam Fadala wrote a book on the 30-30 some years back. He had a load he claimed with a boat tail 165 grain that was comparable to the 243 for trajectory. I might still have that somewhere.
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Sam Fadala must have been comparing it to a 165gr .243 bullet.... because that's about the only way I can think of to make a 2100 fps 30-30 bullet match .243 ballistics.
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Nope, but from memory, he was off some on the flatness, I think, sighted at 200 it dropped 6" or so in 300 yards, and had to be 3" high at 100 to do that.
Why is this stuff in my head from many years ago, and I can't remember a guys name I just spoke to for five minutes?
Max load of W748 I think. That's impressive for a 30-30, and I don't think it was in a carbine, maybe a 26" bbl.
Don't seem to have the book. Too bad, it was fun. He's a 30-30 fanatic. Some stuff I read I was thinking 'yeah right'.
Why is this stuff in my head from many years ago, and I can't remember a guys name I just spoke to for five minutes?
Max load of W748 I think. That's impressive for a 30-30, and I don't think it was in a carbine, maybe a 26" bbl.
Don't seem to have the book. Too bad, it was fun. He's a 30-30 fanatic. Some stuff I read I was thinking 'yeah right'.
Maybe a 30" schuetzen barrel, spire point, and he was loaded just a bit hotter than a regular thutty thutty velocities.
Because it is physically impossible for a bullet starting at 2200 fps to match the ballistics of a bullet with a comparable BC starting out at 3200 fps. As much as I admired Sam Fadala, he was certainly stretching reality to make this statement.
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
Maybe a 30" schuetzen barrel, spire point, and he was loaded just a bit hotter than a regular thutty thutty velocities.
Because it is physically impossible for a bullet starting at 2200 fps to match the ballistics of a bullet with a comparable BC starting out at 3200 fps. As much as I admired Sam Fadala, he was certainly stretching reality to make this statement.
Here comes the 'yeah right' part, because I remember him claiming 2400fps or more for it.
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
I went looking to see if such a load exists, and I don't see one, however, I did see a 150gr load on Hogdon's list doing 2512................ 38.5C LVR......... 2,512 fps......... 34,800 CUP
Hmm. I wonder how that does in ballistics.
interesting.
Hmm. I wonder how that does in ballistics.
interesting.
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Ha, NO
150BTSP at 2400fps
3" high at 100, it's 12" low at 300
still delivering 1000ftlbs on paper though
If you can achieve 2500 and I'm doubtful, it would raise the 300yd trajectory only an inch. energy up another 100lbs.
It's easy to find a 100 grain 243 load that goes 3100.
1.5" high at 100, it's about 6.5"lo at 300 energy at that range is 1200ftlbs.
So, I guess you need pretty wide parameters to say "comparable"
150BTSP at 2400fps
3" high at 100, it's 12" low at 300
still delivering 1000ftlbs on paper though
If you can achieve 2500 and I'm doubtful, it would raise the 300yd trajectory only an inch. energy up another 100lbs.
It's easy to find a 100 grain 243 load that goes 3100.
1.5" high at 100, it's about 6.5"lo at 300 energy at that range is 1200ftlbs.
So, I guess you need pretty wide parameters to say "comparable"
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You CAN achieve 2500... quite easily actually. I have been playing with single shot .30/30's for years... I just love the .30/30 case and wanted to maximize the ballistics for the round. I have a Ruger No.1-A and two Handi rifles, one is a BC with a 28" barrel and the other is a 158 barrel-stubbed with a 26" light contour. If you are seeking "antithesis" loads juxtaposed against the standard 170 grain flat nose of lever action fame, keep these concepts in mind; "light, pointy, LVR." Those criteria, will get you where you want to go. 38.5 gr. LVR with 150 Nosler BT'S are and admirable medium game load, with far more reach than most 94 shooter's would believe.
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All the above is paper BS, there is no substitute for actually shooting the rifles at the ranges intended.
I'd never use a 30-30 at 300 yards, and I have no use for pointy bullets in it myself.
The rifles I use it in, I keep my shots under 200, and I don't think I've ever used it even that far. At a guess, I'd say an easy 80% of the moose, Black bear, and deer I've shot with the 30-30, have been inside 80 yards. At those ranges, any difference between the 30-30, and any other cartridge, is a mute point. Dead, is dead.
But, we're drifting off the thread topic here.
This post is in reference to my own post above
I'd never use a 30-30 at 300 yards, and I have no use for pointy bullets in it myself.
The rifles I use it in, I keep my shots under 200, and I don't think I've ever used it even that far. At a guess, I'd say an easy 80% of the moose, Black bear, and deer I've shot with the 30-30, have been inside 80 yards. At those ranges, any difference between the 30-30, and any other cartridge, is a mute point. Dead, is dead.
But, we're drifting off the thread topic here.
This post is in reference to my own post above
