Type 81 - Info, Pics, How & When to Order, etc. * POLL ADDED! * pls vote :)

Will you be buying a Type 81 on the first import batch from TI?

  • Yes

    Votes: 192 25.0%
  • No

    Votes: 355 46.2%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 221 28.8%

  • Total voters
    768
They're just making shelved tooling machines operable again. They're not R&D'ing the gun or developing it past the point of what was available and produced for their gigantic army in the 80's. The gun is stamped and not milled for chrissakes.

There's absolutely no reason the gun should be north of $800. Have it come with all blued parts and a nice accessory kit, then we're talking an alright price.

Actually, they had to make new tooling for the Type 81's. The trigger group is different, as are several receiver assembly points.

Speaking with TI, it seems they basically designed the gun from scratch, built around a Type 81 concept.
 
PVC - I am sure you are exhausted by defending the rough model pictured. How about a finished model pic thread to tease the C notes out?
 
PVC - I am sure you are exhausted by defending the rough model pictured. How about a finished model pic thread to tease the C notes out?

Like this? ;)

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Oh trust me, I will post one as soon as I get my hands on a actual finished one. Hopefully I will be getting one in the near future to do an in depth review on.
 
I'm not saying its not a good rifle , but only comparing current offerings from china and not comparing them to European manufacturing. I am still excited to add a type 81 to my arsenal.
 
I'm not saying its not a good rifle , but only comparing current offerings from china and not comparing them to European manufacturing. I am still excited to add a type 81 to my arsenal.

True. I wish I could have other offering from China such as a Type 56... but I can't, sadly. Type 81 will have to do :)
 
1000 bucks is a rip compared with the m14 in the 650 range and the m16 varients in the same ballpark. Its not just an sks and has a better trigger and cycle system and is much more accurate then ak47's but come on 1000 bucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where is the evidence that these guns will be more accurate than AK 47's ?
 
Where is the evidence that these guns will be more accurate than AK 47's ?

Here is the Guns and Ammo article that seems to have disappeared from their website in its original format. This article, among many others in a simple Google search, speak of china's desire to find a replacement for the akm, which they felt was not accurate enough.

The Type 81 did incorporate many AK design features, but overall it is no more an AK than those that were influenced by the Kalashnikov design, such as the Belgian FNC or the Swiss Sig 550 and much less so than the Israeli Galil and the Finnish Valmet-Sako 62, which are well-made AK clones with some improvements.



Due to the Sino-Russo ideological split in the early 1960s, the Russians never gave the Chinese licenses to produce the AKM and the RPK, the light-machine-gun variant of the AKM. The Chinese army had never been wholly pleased with the AK's performance and chose to design a new rifle instead of continuing with the existing Type 56, their designation for the AK.#

They were also in need of a replacement for the aging and expensive Type 56 (RPD) light machine guns. The Chinese were using an expensive milled-receiver Type 56-1. The stamped-receiver Type 56 model did not appear in large numbers until the Type 81 was in development. According to the Chinese military, the 56 design has inadequate accuracy in semiautomatic mode and is uncontrollable in full automatic. As matter of fact, the 56 was designated as a submachine gun and only issued as a replacement for the Type 50 (PPSh-41) and Type 54 (PPS-43) in infantry units.#



The mission for a new indigenous military rifle started in the 1960s. The Type 63 rifle, a combination of SKS and AK features, came initially. It was proven to be unsatisfactory and was withdrawn from service by the mid-1970s. During the same period, among numerous other obscure research projects, the 66-136 experimental rifle emerged. The 66-136 laid the foundation for the development of the next generation of Chinese infantry rifle, the Type 81.#


As its project name indicated, the development of the 66-136 rifle started in 1966 with a unique delayed-blowback-action feature that utilized a two-piece bolt assembly with multi-lug rotating bolt. It was designed to be easily convertible to gas-operated action and built with a hodgepodge of parts from the Type 56 carbine (SKS) and the Type 63 rifle. The short-stroke gas system developed for the 66-136 was used for comparison testing with the delayed-blowback action.#



Conversion between the action types was a simple matter of adding or removing the gas-piston assembly. The 66-136 project was eventually canceled because construction of the delayed-blowback action required tight tolerance and fine machining, requirements that the Chinese military was unwilling to accept. Furthermore, Chinese ammunition producers were incapable of producing clean-burning 7.62x39mm ammo with the consistent pressure that the delayed-blowback action required.



new catalyst for the rifle's development came during the Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979. The Chinese army went into combat essentially with WWII-style small-arms distribution: the Type 56 carbine (SKS) in place of the bolt-action rifle backed up by the Type 56-1 light machine gun (RPD) as a squad automatic weapon. The Type 56 (AK47) was used as a submachine gun and only given to officers and cadres.#



It was perhaps one of the most backward infantry TOEs in the world at the time. In comparison, the AK was general issue for all combat troops on the Vietnamese side. Not surprisingly, the Chinese were at a firepower disadvantage in most of the firefights. After the war, the conservatively minded leadership realized its mistake and at last accepted the concept of assault rifles for all troops. The carbine was quickly withdrawn from service amid an urgent development plan to replace both the 56 (AK) and the 56-1 (RPD).#



The development of a new assault rifle started with veteran Chinese small-arms designer Wang Zi Jun, in charge just weeks after fighting stopped at the border in April 1979. The Chinese military's design criteria was accuracy of 1.78 inches R50 at a range of 100 meters, controllability in full automatic, the same level of reliability but longer weapon life than the AK and production with the existing AK and SKS tools and facilities.



In order to save development time, many of the 66-136 rifle design features were integrated into the new rifle, and the prototype was ready for range testing in 1980. The project was finalized in 1981 with the Type 81 automatic-rifle designation. It beat out the rival Type 82 rifle and was officially accepted by the Chinese military for initial production in 1983.#



The Type 81 was first used in combat in 1984 during the Second Sino-Vietnamese War by Chinese spec ops. Satisfied with the Type 81's combat performance, the full production was approved in 1986. On an interesting note, the Type 81 was supposed to be used merely as an interim until development was completed on the 5.8x42mm cartridge.#

The design uses an improved short-stroke gas system and a long receiver from the 66-136 rifle to achieve the accuracy and controllability requirements. The short-stroke gas system generates just the right amount of energy to cycle the weapon without the problem of overcompensating and slamming the entire bolt assembly into the rear of the receiver like the Kalashnikov long-stroke gas system. The long receiver gives the bolt assembly an extra inch of travel to further slow it down.#



The Type 81's one-inch-longer barrel also helps to improve accuracy to some extent by increasing the muzzle velocity by 33 fps over the 56. The 66-136 rifles' multi-lug bolt assembly was deemed too complicated for the new rifle. Instead, the Type 81 uses a rather conventional Kalashnikov-style two-lug rotating design and a large bolt carrier that resembles the Dragunov SVD. The return spring and guide rod are based on that of the AK. With these design features the range test showed the 81 to be 40 percent more accurate than the AK family at 300 meters and much more controllable in full automatic.



The durability and reliability requirements were met in several ways. The receiver of the 81 is made from 1.5mm steel stampings instead of the AKM's one millimeter, with an extra latitudinal folding added to the sides for strength. A massive trunnion connects the barrel to the receiver, and it also provides the locking slots for the bolt to lock the action.#



The entire gas system plus the barrel are hard chromed, the bolt group is Parkerized, and everything else is blued. The 81's gas regulator can also be placed on a high setting when more energy is needed to cycle the weapon under adverse conditions. The 81 was built to last 20,000 rounds. It is built with the same machines that manufacture the 56 and has the same loose tolerance, hence the same level of reliability in adverse conditions.



The trigger mechanism is another major feature that the 81 inherited from the 66-136. Although it is loosely based on the AK's trigger, which itself is a copy of the American Garand's trigger, the 81's selector is much more conveniently located on the left side of the receiver and above the pistol grip in a similar fashion to the M16.#



Compared to the selector on the AK, the 81's smaller thumb selector is much less clunky and faster to use. However, the selector settings are ergonomically incorrect, and it is the reverse of those found on the M16. The Safe setting points to the rear with the auto straight up and Semi to the front.#




There are three types of magazines: the 30-round box magazine for the standard rifle, the 75-round drum for the light machine gun and the odd 20-round special-purpose mag. The 30-rounder seems to be similar to the regular AK mag, but it's slightly wider and will not fit into an AK. Kalashnikov mags are not compatible with the 81. The 75-round drum was originally designed for another earlier cancelled project, the Type 74 light machine gun. Internally, the drum resembles a mixture of the designs found in the Thompson and PPSh-41.#



It can be quickly loaded by opening up its cover, dropping the rounds directly into the slots inside and cranking up the drum spring by turning the winding handle six times. The drum can be stored loaded as long as the spring is unwound. The downside of the drum is the rattling of internal parts and susceptability to jam-inducing dents in the thin sheetmetal.#




The sight system consists of a hooded post front and a rear tangent under a rectangular hood. Windage and elevation are adjustable only in the front sight with the proper tool. The rear sight is precalibrated for ranges from 100 to 500 meters for the rifle and increased to 800 meters for the light machine gun.#

The Type 81's barrel has an integrated rifle-grenade adapter. To launch a rifle grenade, a special ballistic blank is used with the gas regulator set to the gas cut-off position. Another option is mounting a Type 91B under-barrel 35mm grenade launcher (based on the M203) in place of the lower handguard.

I had the opportunity to examine two different Type 81s and shoot one at the range. The fit and finish is about the same as a 56 or AKM. The blueing is a little thin, and in some areas it was already worn from cleaning. I found the iron sight system gives a cluttered sight picture. Its hooded rear tangent sight requires some getting use to. The rifle is longer and slightly heavier than the AKM but lighter than the milled-receiver AK47. My best group at 100 meters was about three inches with standard Chinese military ammo. Its accuracy is not bad for a stamped-receiver rifle, and it is better than most Kalashnikov variants.



The Type 81 is the main rifle of the Sri Lankan army since the 1990s, and Bangladesh recently announced the full adoption of the Type 81 as its standard rifle, obtaining license to produce 100,000 copies. In addition, small numbers of 81s also ended up in South Eastern Asia and Africa, notably Congo and Liberia. The 81 does not export well since it has no interchangeable parts with the AK and its price of $175 a copy in large military order is almost twice the cost of the Type 56-2 and other stamped-receiver AK copies.#

The Type 81 is employed in all branches of the Chinese military and the paramilitary. With the adoption of the 5.8x42mm round and the QBZ95 bullpup by the Chinese military, many thought the Type 81 would soon be withdraw from service. However, the new bullpup production is sluggish, with only a half-million produced in the 10 years since it went into service, and now it, too, appears to be on the verge of a phase-out.#

So while its military is moving to the 5.8, the Chinese's police forces have been getting large numbers of ex-military 81s. It seems like the Type 81 will soldier on with Chinese law enforcement, the rest of the military and the armed forces of a few other small countries for the foreseeable future.
 
Hmmm. How does it compare to the Vz58?

Well one could find out how much more accurate the vz is compared to the ak family in a percent format, then do the mathematical equation to compare the chinese assessment of "the type 81 being 40% more accurate than the ak family", and compare the two and have an idea of how the accuracy of the vz compares to the 81.....

Or we could just shoot them when they arrive.

I like plan 2 better.
 
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