Gun Show Ethics - What Would You Do?

Brookwood

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I have a question for the community that I would appreciate some insight into.

At a recent gun show, a vendor was selling a stock SVT 40 for $600. I was really surprised at the price - I appreciate they are not as common as a few years ago, but they are still available from Lever Arms for $375 and can be bought from private sellers for less. Whatever, it's his gun, he can ask whatever he wants for it right? What threw me for a loop was the sales pitch I overheard. To give you some context - The gun was a standard refurb '41 Izzy, nothing special (scope rails, no notch), but on top of the rifle he added an aftermarket reproduction scope for $350 and a non matching bayonet for $250 to bring the total price up to $1,200. I overheard a lot of people commenting about the price - you can imagine what they were saying...

Toward the end of the day, I walked past the booth and the vendor was in the process of making a sales pitch to a young couple who appeared to be very interested. I stopped and listened long enough to overhear the vendor say they 'were holding the rarest of the rare, from the rarest maker, a genuine SVT sniper and matching original bayonet". He slid the scope off and on to show them, and jammed it on the gun with the palm of his hand explaining that it was a little tight to get on. I did not hear him say anything to them at that time about it requiring a notch to hold the scope in place. He did keep repeating that this was a rare gun, the one that everyone wants. I shook my head and kept walking..To re-iterate, it was a plain-jane '41 Izzy refurb with a repro scope and mount with a non-matching aftermarket bayo.

To be crystal clear, I don't know the vendor, I've never done business with him, I have no beef with him and to be honest he could pass me on the street today and I wouldn't recognize him. But from what I heard, I felt the people were inexperienced and getting fleeced. I do not claim to be an SVT 40 expert, but I own 5 and I've done my homework. The gun was not what it was being described as. I have no idea if they bought it or if anyone else did for that matter. However, if it was me and it was my first milsurp purchase, if I put out that kind of money only to find out later I'd been taken for a ride, I would probably never buy another milsurp again and think twice before buying anything at a show.

Here's my question - When you hear a dealer trying to make a sale at a show and you know the potential buyer is getting led down the primrose path, do you intervene or walk away? I can see it from both sides of the coin - If I was a dealer and some 'know it all' jumped in and and broke up the sale, you bet I'd be mad. But on the other hand, I've been in situations where in a more experienced collector's timely guidance would have been a big help and prevented me from wasting money.

What's the right thing to do?

Thanks in advance,

Brookwood
 
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Get out of sight behind the dealer; catch the customer's eye and shake your head no. The customer may or may not come over to talk to you.
 
Some vendors give the rest a bad name. Tough call there but I have seen similar things occur. Sometimes it's an honest mistake and sometimes it isn't. I recently found out an M1D I had picked up from a CGNer about 6 years ago was a fake/put together. I was convinced it wasn't until the fellow who put it together proved it to me. I lost money on that one as it was sold for slightly more than the sum of its parts. The fellow I bought it from did not intentionally misrepresent the rifle because I have dealt with him on other items and he has been bang on about everything. Caveat Emptor. It is up to the buyer as well as the seller to know what they have.

On the other hand there are a few shysters out there that must have taken courses on selling from the old time door to door vacuum cleaner salesmen training center.

Good for you for catching it though.
 
dont say anything. its not your place. for one i know even i do it. the people were just acting interested i am sure. some times the table guys will pull you over and talk your ear off and just to be nice you act interested. so no need to make an ass of yourself.
i have seen a fake leupold scope go at auction for over $900 i had the same one i payed less then $200 for it. the auction guy kept saying this is a $2000 scope people! but he didn't know. its up to the buyer to check first or dont buy it if your going to lay down the big bucks.

unless someone is looking for help then dont get involved. but if you have to help and cant walk away then just get close and say like under your breath so they can hear you 'rip off" or tell your friend loudly what a rip off that deal is. but dont confront the guy unless he talks to you first.
 
How about informing the event organizer, and the police, about his fraudulent claims, or is trying to hose people part of the unwritten rule book of gun show culture?

I'd at minimum do the background head shake, and if I was in a mood full on step in and confront the guy.
 
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Get out of sight behind the dealer; catch the customer's eye and shake your head no. The customer may or may not come over to talk to you.

This.
I can get on board with a confrontation if required too, but 1st try to be discreet about it. I'm not 'allowed' to talk to used car salesmen anymore; I tend to say things like " Well, I think it's a POS, actually" when prompted by a companion. And; yeah, right in front of the salesman too. 90% of the time it's after a line of BS from the salesman; I can't abide that very well.
It's an Alberta Oilpatch thing; politeness sometimes eludes us in favor of actual opinions.
 
This.
I can get on board with a confrontation if required too, but 1st try to be discreet about it. I'm not 'allowed' to talk to used car salesmen anymore; I tend to say things like " Well, I think it's a POS, actually" when prompted by a companion. And; yeah, right in front of the salesman too. 90% of the time it's after a line of BS from the salesman; I can't abide that very well.
It's an Alberta Oilpatch thing; politeness sometimes eludes us in favor of actual opinions.

It's not just an Oilpatch thing - it's common F-ing decency to help someone out who's getting douched.
 
Mind your own business unless you are asked. If the potential buyer doesn't bother to do his research he gets what he deserves.
 
Of course the same people would step in if an item was listed for far less than it was worth, to save the vendor from being fleeced.

We used to call these people "busy bodies".
 
Mind your own business unless you are asked. If the potential buyer doesn't bother to do his research he gets what he deserves.

My business is what I decide is my business. So outright misrepresentation is ok as long as the person getting screwed wasn't as knowledgeable as they could be? I'd strut right up there and tell them what I thought, as diplomatically as I could perhaps, but there would be no ambiguity. I've been told I have an overactive sense of justice...
 
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