The present trend of ultra long range hunting/shooting

the spank said:
I get a real kick out of the "fair chase" doctrine. The way I see it dead is dead be it shot up close or over in the next RM. The older I get and the more I am out there the less I care about how it made it to the dinner plate.
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I have the exact opposite view. And I believe that those who don't understand the principles of fair chase, are largely responsible for the erosion of our conservation heritage, both within the hunting community and how it is viewed by those outside it.
 
CV32 said:
I have the exact opposite view. And I believe that those who don't understand the principles of fair chase, are largely responsible for the erosion of our conservation heritage, both within the hunting community and how it is viewed by those outside it.
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I think I would have to agree with you on this one. Removing the animals most basic defense mechanism ( fleeing when an animal senses a predator ) by shooting them from excessive distance is a tad unsportsmanlike IMO.
It gets less important to fill the tags as the years glide by, life is a tad more precious I suppose. The horns make thin soup anyhow, always have.
Stay safe
Tokguy
 
I like CPR threads. Long range equipment is still all the rage. Although most game around here is 100 yds, give or take lol.

I still need a .375 H&H though. :cool:
 
tokguy said:
I think I would have to agree with you on this one. Removing the animals most basic defense mechanism ( fleeing when an animal senses a predator ) by shooting them from excessive distance is a tad unsportsmanlike IMO.
It gets less important to fill the tags as the years glide by, life is a tad more precious I suppose. The horns make thin soup anyhow, always have.
Stay safe
Tokguy
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Let's be honest, when humans sharpened the first stone it became "less sporting". We can put our sport into corners all we like or just hunt the way we feel is best, and leave anyone else acting legally alone. There's a lot of that in our lives already, people with opinions I wish would just keep their noses out of aspects of our lives they don't agree with. Be it hunting, firearms, or even how we hunt and what we hunt. There are plenty on this forum who wouldn't support cougar or grizzly hunting, because they don't understand it and haven't been around it. If it's legal, I support your privilege to do it. I also have only seen exemplary long range shooting to date in the mountains, so really, what criticism could I mount? All my fears of wounded and lost animals I expressed here in the past regarding longhand game shooting haven't materialized. Most guys dropping tens of thousands on hunts have proven to have their s-h-1-t surprisingly and admirably together.
 
Lol

What constitutes "Long Range" changes with each generation.

Surely you know older fellas in your hunting group who grumbled about how a scope was unsportsmanlike. That real hunters used open sights and that such was essential to fair chase and such.

However I suspect that those senior to that generation grumbled about how unfair these new fangled smokeless powders were.

Go along this concept and see how, repeating rifles were unfair, then breech loaders were unfair, then a rifled barrel (vs musket) gave an "unsporting advantage".

Trace it back to Grog sitting at his fire in a cave somewhere in northern africa totally indignant that some young wippersnapper is using a long stick with a sharpened stone at the end. The beginning of "long range hunting".

As long as it's legal, sustainable and ends with a humane clean kill, I support it.
 
The beginning of "long range hunting".
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And anything else is cheating
 
Ban the atlatl. It'll just encourage the spear guys to spook the game more than they already do. A bow is right out. All a real Hunter needs is a good club. My grandfather was adamant that all he needed was a bad club, until some upstart with a good club knocked him out of the park. It doesn't matter anymore, because the stick-men tormented the rock-stars until they both tied rocks on the end of sticks and beat each other senseless. The heavy rock versus light faster rock throwers are still at it, but both factions are dieing out because all cave wenches ran off with the shiny stone guys.
 
Dogleg said:
Ban the atlatl. It'll just encourage the spear guys to spook the game more than they already do. A bow is right out. All a real Hunter needs is a good club. My grandfather was adamant that all he needed was a bad club, until some upstart with a good club knocked him out of the park. It doesn't matter anymore, because the stick-men tormented the rock-stars until they both tied rocks on the end of sticks and beat each other senseless. The heavy rock versus light faster rock throwers are still at it, but both factions are dieing out because all cave wenches ran off with the shiny stone guys.
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No atlatl... no club... no pointy sticks... no blunt instruments... only what you left the womb with and only at zero yards...
 
Obviously there can be no hard and fast rule that is going to apply to every person in every situation. There are few black and white lines here.

Speaking only for myself, I believe the Boone & Crockett Club has a good handle on the concept of 'fair chase' and I am in favour of it:

FAIR CHASE, as defined by the Boone and Crockett Club, is the ethical, sportsmanlike, and lawful pursuit and taking of any free-ranging wild, native North American big game animal in a manner that does not give the hunter an improper advantage over such animals.
HUNTER ETHICS
Fundamental to all hunting is the concept of conservation of natural resources. Hunting in today's world involves the regulated harvest of individual animals in a manner that conserves, protects, and perpetuates the hunted population. The hunter engages in a one-to-one relationship with the quarry and his or her hunting should be guided by a hierarchy of ethics related to hunting, which includes the following tenets:
1. Obey all applicable laws and regulations.
2. Respect the customs of the locale where the hunting occurs.
3. Exercise a personal code of behavior that reflects favorably on your abilities and sensibilities as a hunter.
4. Attain and maintain the skills necessary to make the kill as certain and quick as possible.
5. Behave in a way that will bring no dishonor to either the hunter, the hunted, or the environment.
6. Recognize that these tenets are intended to enhance the hunter's experience of the relationship between predator and prey, which is one of the most fundamental relationships of humans and their environment.
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As far as "ultra long range shooting" goes, it is my personal opinion that it tends to venture too far into the gray zone when it comes to compromising tenets #4, 5 and 6. Again, this is my own opinion, and I am speaking generally. There may be some circumstances where it does not.

At a time when hunting is under attack by many as being outdated or barbaric, it is my view that we (as hunters) ought to strive to be seen as stewards of the natural world, not just as consumers or self-entitled "users" of what it offers. Fair chase is a fundamental part of that.
 
hoytcanon said:
No atlatl... no club... no pointy sticks... no blunt instruments... only what you left the womb with and only at zero yards...
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Now I have an image in my mind with nekkid hunters running around ... THANKS A LOT!

Superbrad said:
This year's plan is to pelt my game to death with Timbits..... Rick Mercer style....
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There you go, throw the bait at them instead of hiding away. :)
 
Ardent said:
Let's be honest, when humans sharpened the first stone it became "less sporting". We can put our sport into corners all we like or just hunt the way we feel is best, and leave anyone else acting legally alone. There's a lot of that in our lives already, people with opinions I wish would just keep their noses out of aspects of our lives they don't agree with. Be it hunting, firearms, or even how we hunt and what we hunt. There are plenty on this forum who wouldn't support cougar or grizzly hunting, because they don't understand it and haven't been around it. If it's legal, I support your privilege to do it. I also have only seen exemplary long range shooting to date in the mountains, so really, what criticism could I mount? All my fears of wounded and lost animals I expressed here in the past regarding longhand game shooting haven't materialized. Most guys dropping tens of thousands on hunts have proven to have their s-h-1-t surprisingly and admirably together.
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Oh, I also am losing my desire to argue about it, lol.
My son shoots animal's at distances that I wouldn't attempt, he does OK at it too.
I try to tend to my fences, not to worry about the neighbor's so much as I used to.
Good hunting guys
 
Demonical said:
Pointless comparison of opinions...
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Could be that I'm tired and in need of a beer or two, but...you sure bring a lot to the table with that comment. Thanks for the tip, Tips.
Compared to many of these discussions...I thought we were behaving well. Disappoint you?
And yeah...definitely need another beer.
 
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