Bladetech DOH IPSC compliance

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This past weekend we were told at the IPSC qualifier in TMSA that Bladetech holster with the DOH was no longer in compliance for distance away from the body. Of course numerous people have these.

Rather than raise a stink about it I'd like to know how many were successful at warping the DOH so that it angles closer so that the pistol handle is closer to your torso (you boys with bulging love handles get the advantage there).

I took off my DOH after the first day when we were warned and screwed the holster directly on the Teklok clamp and it was in compliance. I still would like to try to keep the DOH as before, though. It's not that I found the drawing that hinky with the change, it's just that I dislike having to discard a part that worked very well for me already.

A couple other people taped a shim on the inside of the holster between it and their thigh so that it would angle. Obviously pretty ghetto. Another buddy of mine removed the DOH but put in longer screws and a couple washers to get some distance away from the belt.
 
It's an IPSC rule 5.2.5, the centre of the grip (in the centre) is no more than 50mm from the BODY (not belt). All divisions list this in Appendix D1-D5. The DOH angles it too far out on some people, not so much on others. It depends specifically on the pistol, and your body type.
This usually applies to Level II matches and above.

I have a DOH for my seldom used Glock 17, and I took a heat gun to the bracket. It's super easy, Pull the bracket out by itself, and I just put it in a vice, heat it up for a while and took some pliers and bent it straight. When it cools it's solid again and doesn't flex.
A friend I shoot with (who views but doesn't post - smart guy) did the same thing without any issues. Just don't overheat and melt the plastic.

It does change how it "hangs" off of the body, it pulls slightly on the belt but not enough for me to warranty buying another holster.
 
The way we discussed it on the weekend is to measure it from the edge of the gun to your body. The question then is from which part of the edge of the gun. This is where the "center of the grip" comes in. So if you picture the gun holstered and you looking down on it from above, take the measuring tape and go halfway up the grip between the well and the frame and make your measurement there.
 
Silveragent said:
This past weekend we were told at the IPSC qualifier in TMSA that Bladetech holster with the DOH was no longer in compliance for distance away from the body.
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Sorry, but that's bullsh@t. The Bladetech DOHs status has never changed in IPSC.

For some people, (read: those of us with less mid-range insulation) they might not comply but for most, they are fine - it's up to each individual to ensure they are in compliance with whatever holster they choose.

If you aren't in compliance with a Bladetech DOH - do what SoylentD describes using heat to bend it or another quick fix is to insert some washers in the lower attachment point. You might need some longer screws.
 
The center of your pistol grip. So imagine the grip and now imagine the center of it which is the fattest part of it. Dont include the slide in there.
 
Sorry, but that's bullsh@t. The Bladetech DOHs status has never changed in IPSC.
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I didn't mean to have worded it like it was blanket not in compliance but I think the rest of my post did explain that you could make it in compliance.

Previously I don't know anyone who was ever called on the DOH and I've shot with it for close to 3 years.
 
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What is "the centre of the grip"? Is there any picture somewhere?

I've heard about this, but in very vague terms so far...

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Posted 23 May 2016 - 03:10 AM
Jean-Pierre Lemaitre, on 23 May 2016 - 1:05 PM, said:

"Shall one assume that the 50mm is exceeded on that photo...?"

Vince replies,

"Yes, but probably within acceptable limits, at least for me.

As I said at the very beginning of this thread, the 50mm rule was never intended to be as unforgiving or absolute as the 170mm mag rule, or the 125PF rule, or the 127mm PD rule, which is why the RM has discretion.

The objective is not to beat competitors over the head with the rule book on this issue. It's to stop blatant silliness! "

Based on that I think one doesn't need to heat the holster mount up and bend it, it's an industry standard mounting setup, no one is gaining anything by wearing it as is. This is just typical mean spirited crap to drive people out of the sport, again exhibited by the same people.
As well, from what I was told at least one individual who was giving people crap about this, didn't even understand how to do the measuring. Sad that he then had to resort to name calling of people when they questioned it. This kind of behaviour has just cost IPSC BC two more shooters who aren't interested in putting up with that kind of abuse. Wish I'd been there to back them up.
 
As a CRO, inconsistent interpretation of the rule book is frustrating to say the least. After having been instructed to check for compliance, warn on Saturday and enforce on Sunday & Monday, I was especially confused and aggravated when I discovered that numerous competitors had been told they were non-compliant based on incorrect measuring criteria.

At the end of the weekend, no competitors whom I checked that were technically non-compliant and referred to the RM ended up shooting for no score. All that resulted (in my view) was that a considerable number of people were frustrated, annoyed, perhaps upset, and confused at what the issue was in the first place - especially those who've been using the same gear for years. In my opinion it was a collosal waste of time on every stage that could have been put to better use by either allowing more entries, or shorter days.

I've spoken to our section coordinator about the matter - while the SC doesn't have jurisdiction over interpretation of the rule book and officiating of matches, they do have a vested interest in the experience of the members of their section at matches and the impact that such matters have on the conduct of events.
 
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This is another example of a rule that should be adjusted to match the most common gear on the market, not the other way around. I'm a skinny arse and the only way I come close to complying is if I stand kind of cockeyed. I've never been called on it, but I've never been to a level III. See also arbitrary and difficult to measure mag pouch placement.
 
At the end of the weekend, no competitors whom I checked that were technically non-compliant and referred to the RM were placed in open division.
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That's because they can't be placed in Open division. All divisions including Open division must comply with the 50mm rule. You are either in compliance or you are not, you can't be bumped to another division for it.
 
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That's because they can't be placed in Open division. All divisions including Open division must comply with the 50mm rule. You are either in compliance or you are not, you can't be bumped to another division for it.
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Of course - I totally muddled my words there; I was just taking to someone who WAS moved to open due to the use of a magnet on the front of a mag pouch... What I should have typed was "shooting for no score."
 
I Just bought a DOH mount, I just measured my love handles to the centre of the grip. Way less than 50mm. Per the rules if a competitor is found to be in non-compliance they are given time to adjust their gear. The Range Master also has discretion....

5.2.5 Where a Division specifies a maximum distance that a competitor's handgun and equipment may extend away from a competitor's body, a Range Officer may check compliance by measuring the closest distance between the competitor’s torso and the center of the longest dimension of the handgun grip and/or any reloading devices.

5.2.5.1 The measurement is to be taken while the competitor is standing relaxed (see Appendix E2).

5.2.5.2 Any competitor who fails the foregoing test prior to the Start Signal will be required to immediately adjust his holster or allied equipment to comply with the requirements of the relevant Division. The Range Master may make allowances for variations in these requirements due to anatomical considerations. Some competitors may not be able to fully comply.
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I was forced to remove my DOH attachment of my holster at a level 3 two years ago because of this rule. a female competitor on my squad was also forced to do the same. other, lets say "larger" shooters with the same equipment did not have this issue. Its a rule that can punish you for being skinny.
 
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