Bladetech DOH IPSC compliance

In IPSC BC, if you don't have an overlay, you can measure the 50mm gap with one of these

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Inconsistent rulings are consistent in BC.
This needs to be addressed by our RD and I've sent him a message asking for such. Anyone who witnessed or was involved in these matters, please contact Sean and let him know.
 
Yeah try having this pulled on you half way through a Nationals.........just a little distracting you might say. Running around trying to fix my holster before I could start a stage. Ended up stepping out of bounds, and because I forgot to step in at the EXACT spot I went out the same rule Nazis nailed me for every subsequent shot. I was a tiny bit irritated.

That and other BS finally drove me out of IPSC BC..........I love the game but just couldn't handle the egomaniacs anymore.

John
 
snootworks said:
Of course - I totally muddled my words there; I was just taking to someone who WAS moved to open due to the use of a magnet on the front of a mag pouch... What I should have typed was "shooting for no score."
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5.2.5.2 Any competitor who fails the foregoing test prior to the Start Signal will be required to immediately adjust his holster or allied equipment to comply with the requirements of the relevant Division. The Range Master may make allowances for variations in these requirements due to anatomical considerations. Some competitors may not be able to fully comply
It doesn't say shoot for no score, it say you must be in compliance before you are started. You don't get bumped to Open, you aren't DQ'd, you aren't zero'd. If before you start the RO feel you aren't in compliance, you must adjust or not be started, the RM may make allowances.
 
Which works for the first stage. We were required to do equipment checks on every stage on every day of three matches. People were "warned" on Saturday, and told compliance was mandatory on Sunday and Monday. Even those that were not compliant on the 2nd and 3rd days were permitted to shoot as per normal. Consistently inconsistent is a good way of putting it.
 
Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to have an acurate dimension measured from the belt?

That way; The gear is either in spec or it isn't. It wouldn't matter who was wearing it, fat or skinny.
In fact, the gear could be inspected while it's sitting on a table. No room for subjectivity.
 
Dexter Morgan said:
Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to have an acurate dimension measured from the belt? That way; The gear is either in spec or it isn't. It wouldn't matter who was wearing it, fat or skinny. In fact, the gear could be inspected while it's sitting on a table. No room for subjectivity.
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You're wasting your breath here; if you're serious, you need to make your argument on IPSC's Global Village.
 
Funny we just went around with this on IPSC Alberta this past weekend. Here are a couple of pictures i did up to clarify the center of the grip:



 
Measurements from the belt wouldn't work. People use double belts which can move the handgun further away from the body. Even if you don't see it as an advantage, it is for most.

The wording is pretty straight forward. 50mm in all divisions from the body to the centre of the handgun grip. This stuff is covered during the black badge course, at least it was for me. It's a lot of information thrown at you in a short period of time - it's easy to forget some of the little things.

I was told mid match that my pistol was too far out about 8 months ago. The RM just nodded and said "yeah, it is". I thanked them for it and adjusted my gear for the next match. Better to happen at a local Level II, rather than the provincials or nationals. Since then I've been advising some local guys to get their gear in check too, some were wayyyy off. Keep it friendly folks.
 
Walter Hornby said:
Funny we just went around with this on IPSC Alberta this past weekend. Here are a couple of pictures i did up to clarify the center of the grip:

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I was at the Qualifiers at TMSA this last long weekend and it was definitely confusing lol. Would the 50mm be measured along the red line you drew the runs directly from the body to the center of the grip? That would definitely be over 50mm. Or should the measurement be on a line parallel to the outer edge of the body? I've added some blue lines. I've seen the RO's laying their card in between the competitors body and their holstered handgun so that would be similar.

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VanMan said:
I was at the Qualifiers at TMSA this last long weekend and it was definitely confusing lol. Would the 50mm be measured along the red line you drew the runs directly from the body to the center of the grip? That would definitely be over 50mm. Or should the measurement be on a line parallel to the outer edge of the body? I've added some blue lines. I've seen the RO's laying their card in between the competitors body and their holstered handgun so that would be similar.

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There no line. It's just the closest distance between the competitor’s body and the center of the grip. It's going to be different for each body type. My body rolls out over the belt a little, so I get a little more leeway :)

Nobody should be getting bumped or DQ'd or anything else on this rule. If the RO decides to check you, he needs to do it before he starts you. If he fails you, you get to re-adjust.

5.2.5.2 Any competitor who fails the foregoing test prior to the Start Signal will be required to immediately adjust his holster or allied equipment to comply with the requirements of the relevant Division.
 
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Slavex said:
The objective is not to beat competitors over the head with the rule book on this issue. It's to stop blatant silliness! "

Based on that I think one doesn't need to heat the holster mount up and bend it, it's an industry standard mounting setup, no one is gaining anything by wearing it as is. This is just typical mean spirited crap to drive people out of the sport, again exhibited by the same people.
As well, from what I was told at least one individual who was giving people crap about this, didn't even understand how to do the measuring. Sad that he then had to resort to name calling of people when they questioned it. This kind of behaviour has just cost IPSC BC two more shooters who aren't interested in putting up with that kind of abuse. Wish I'd been there to back them up.
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Many people have been using Bladetech DOH for many years and suddenly this is an issue? I was in a Tims in Mission on the long weekend and overheard a conversation about the drama concerning holsters.

Oh, make that three BC shooters.
 
I was at a BB course. Few people were using the DOH holsters.

This is a very subjective and vaguely defined rule. People with Love handles obviously have no problems. Other are fine depending on the how they wear the belt. Situation also changes after lunch.

I was told some of my mags on my back may be on the edge as well due to the curvature of the backbone.
 
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