Nightforce vs Schmidt and Bender vs Vortex vs US Optics

This was my solution to not being able to hold the RF steady enough. You can't co-witness the RF and spotter with this mount but it's close enough. It was $60 opposed to the Ashbury Precision that you can co-witness for $700ish I believe.
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Nice set-up!

I simply use a camera mount for a tri-pod on mine. Just hate lugging around a tripod for that reason only.
 
You don't see those stages in matches very often these days. Its not expected that the shooter will make a first round hit on those stages. Quite the opposite. They are meant to test the shooter's ability to spot their shots and correct, which is a core skill even in the known distance matches most PRS matches are. UKD with unknown size or range-of-size targets were more common in US matches before the PRS was formed and were used to demonstrate the folly of thinking in linear units (inches or cm) instead of using the reticle. You can only really do them in a field match where you can keep the shooters from ranging the targets while others shoot or from communicating with each other. Limited places where you can do that, and its not feasible with the large number of shooters in many of the matches you see these days.

There is a PRS match that will have UKD targets in the fall in Kentucky: https://www.facebook.com/PracticalPrecisionRifleChallenge/

The MD is a recently retired SOF sniper. The match is limited to 80 shooters to be able to do it right.

Not sure if he will have unknown target size, but I would expect him to have things like targets on sticks out in the open where the over-reliance people have on LRFs will cost them points when they don't get readings or pick up things way in back of the target instead of the target itself, or time out trying to transition back and forth between the rifle and the LRF. Sometimes the reticle just is the better tool for the situation...

More often than not, you'll just be using the reticle instead of the turrets or in conjunction with them. I just got back from the K&M Kahles PRS match. They had a stage where we had to shoot 5 targets between 700 and 1200 yards in 60 seconds. Only one shot on each, and after your first shot you got DQ'd if you touched your scope again. Quite a few guys cleaned the stage... kinda required a reticle. Many stage required transitioning between different distance in a very short time that would not allow for turret adjustments.

Any chance you know scopes/ reticules employed??
 
US Optics LR17 with one of the Horus Reticles.
Strong and reliable enough for combat and use with many specwar units.
Great glass and coatings.
And the Horus Reticles cannot be beat in terms of ease of use for novice or pro.
It will last you the rest of your life. Guaranteed.
 
Decent reticle. Easy to distinguish full mil values from the subdivisions. 0.2 mil subdivisions takes a bit of getting used to. The Klein reticle is similar, but with 0.5 mil subdivisions.

Do you know any reference that I can study to use this reticle efficiently?
 
Transitionally, it was just used for ranging. These days, that is the thing you use the reticle for the least.

If your scope is FFP, the reticle is accurate at any magnification. What this means for you is that you can use it for a reference at any magnification to either measure something like a miss, or to hold off a specific number or mils/MOA. What you see is what you get. If you fire a shot and the bullet splashes 1.2 mil to the right of the target, you just enter 1.2 mils left in the turret to correct it. No math, distance doesn't matter, just plug it in. It's and angle, it sorts itself out for you. 1 mil in the reticle is the same 1 mil that is on your turret. Alternatively, if you wanted to hold-over instead of dialing, you just use the same value on the reticle that you would have dialed into the turret. This is handy when you don't have time to dial the turret or when you may not want to because you're in a solid position and dialing would cause you to break it.

Often in matches, if you have multiple targets, you will dial for one of them (often the center one) then use the reticle to hold the difference. For example, lets say you had three targets:

T1: 2.4 mils
T2: 3.7 mils
T3: 4.8 mils

You could dial 3.7 mils on the turret, the hold 1.3 mils under for T1, dead on for T2 and 0.9 mils over for T3. We do this often in matches for speed. The center distance is chosen to keep things near the center of the reticle so that the horizontal crosshair can be referenced more accurately. This is particularly true in stage where you have a mover at one distance and want to use the horizontal crosshair for your leads.

The reticle simplifies mover a great deal. Especially if you're dealing with multiple movers at different speeds and different distances. Thread on movers: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...ets-Linear-vs-Angular-lead-(reticle-goodness)

Also for wind. Once you figure out your hold-off at one distance (measure it in mils), you can derive the wind speed from it and use it at the next distance to get on target quicker.

Vortex manuals go over the basics: http://www.vortexoptics.com/uploads/web_manual_ret-rzr-hd_gen2_ebr-1c-42704-13a_mrad.pdf
 
Thanks kombayotch!

I want to buy Sphur mount online. How can I know what is the height that I need to get to keep the scope close enough to the barrel and not touching the barrel?
 
I went there already and only found the spec of the reticle. I was looking for practical example of usage. Nothing on youtube or google

I was raised on a uncluttered midot however, the more you can get on a reticle, the better, IF you can process all its information. That reticle looks way better in the real world than what the print version implies.

Some like the .2mil hash on horizontal for wind, you may be different. If you wish to range with it, it will be killer with the .1mil. I don't know how much you will like it below a certain magnification and/ or with a dark target background. Much will depend on your use, especially at low mags(close up), poor light, dark target spots, eyesight and what you think begins to get difficult to see/use. You can always light it up though.

You really want to look thru the optic/reticle in order to get what you prefer for your use, however anyone can adapt to a reticle with a little trigger time.
 
I pulled the trigger. I decided to go with S&B 5-25×56 PM II/LP H2CMR 1CM CCW DT/ST ZS LT MTC. This will go with Sphur unimount 0 mil.

Both of them will go on my FN SPR A5M XP 20" barrel that also comes with 20 MOA rail and Harris bipod.

I am super excited to put them together and shoot it! :)
 
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