Beowulf mags??? what's the scoop 2016

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Brian46 said:
I have posted many times, I have all documentation and will open it to anyone in person at my home, I am not going to divulge who I am or my past to some stranger over the internet.

My family and I moved to get away from the ongoing harassment that went on after the fact. If you want to know who I am, I want a record of who you are
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Got it

You want to use something that may or may not have happened as proof of your argument but do not want to actually have anyone else look at this proof.

In that case I am the Superintendent of the RCMP and .50 Beo mags are legal. No you can not have my email or verify who I am, want to know come to my house.

Case closed

Shawn
 
Brian46 said:
that would open the door for the accused to take this to court and get a ruling on his terms.

The RCMP SFSS has not put their opinion on all these mags being prohibited to paper multiple times to various retailers and importers for no reason, eventually they will be doing something and you can guarantee it will be at a time of their choosing
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See this is why you have so little credibility on CGN; all of your "this happened to me, honest" and "I have 50 Beo firearms so I've got more at stake than anyone" posts just kind of blow away in the breeze when you make statements like that.

IF the SFSS opinion you keep referring to was worth the paper it was printed on, IF blanket prohibition of all Beo mags was the RCMP's position as an organization and not just the mis-informed, off the cuff, careless wording of a single RCMP minion then you can bet your bottom dollar that they would not have returned the suspect mags to the individuals in question.
 
shawn said:
Got it

You want to use something that may or may not have happened as proof of your argument but do not want to actually have anyone else look at this proof.


Shawn
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Yes, I offer the information on my terms and you refuse to look at it because you are more reluctant than myself to reveal who you are. I have years of harassment that forced me to move once already, what is your excuse for wanting to hide who you are while expecting others to divulge their identity on your command?
 
Runningfool said:
See this is why you have so little credibility on CGN
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your opinion

IF the SFSS opinion you keep referring to was worth the paper it was printed on, IF blanket prohibition of all Beo mags was the RCMP's position as an organization and not just the mis-informed, off the cuff, careless wording of a single RCMP minion then you can bet your bottom dollar that they would not have returned the suspect mags to the individuals in question.[/QUOTE]the SFSS lab is one person? who does the crown rely on for information in pressing charges and bringing evidence and expert testimony in court cases involving firearms if not the RCMP SFSS lab?
 
If it was a "wrongful charge", how does that support the whole "those mags are illegal" narrative? It doesn't. In fact, by the letter of the LAW, not opinion of the RCMP SFSS, RCMP officers, or anyone but a judge can change that, and even that would be interesting since the law is that they're legal.

Yeah, I'm not gonna stress over it.
 
J_Scott said:
If it was a "wrongful charge"
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the charges were dropped, nobody knows why in the case of the poster who was charged on CGN that I supplied links to earlier. I specifically asked him to get documentation as to why in that thread with no answer.

If you are ever criminally charged and they are dropped for any reason, have your lawyer get the decision in writing, it helps with future border crossings, international customs, bonded employment, future interactions with the RCMP/law enforcement, etc immensely in speeding up the process
 
Brian46 said:
Yes, I offer the information on my terms and you refuse to look at it because you are more reluctant than myself to reveal who you are.
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You mean the rems that I come to your house? LOL How am I going to do that if you tell anyone who you are?

Brian46 said:
I have years of harassment that forced me to move once already, what is your excuse for wanting to hide who you are while expecting others to divulge their identity on your command?
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Says who?

No one asked who I was

On top of that my info is readily available all over CGN from my phone number, name, and email. It has been posted by me multiple times from the multiple CQB, M14 and range shoots I have hosted and held on CFB Dundurn

It not my fault that people dont blindly accept your I have a story/I was charged /It happened to me BS for every topic ever posted on CGN

Shawn
 
Brian46 said:
the charges were dropped, nobody knows why in the case of the poster who was charged on CGN that I supplied links to earlier. I specifically asked him to get documentation as to why in that thread with no answer.

If you are ever criminally charged and they are dropped for any reason, have your lawyer get the decision in writing, it helps with future border crossings, international customs, bonded employment, future interactions with the RCMP/law enforcement, etc immensely in speeding up the process
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OP of that thread here:

To Answer your question, the charges were dropped after the RCMP were in contact with me mate's council and realized they had no legal basis to the charges and that the mags were *technically* lawful for use. According to my friend, he said that he was in contact with a firearms lawyer out of edmonton, who got ahold of the RMH RCMP, and set everything straight. Since then he has traveled quite a bit out of the country with no issues and has dealt with RCMP on more positive matters without issue or mention of previous charges. I'll Ask him if he'll go get paper documentation about his charges being dropped but releasing that document is up to him.
 
SquidMeister said:
OP of that thread here:

To Answer your question, the charges were dropped after the RCMP were in contact with me mate's council and realized they had no legal basis to the charges and that the mags were *technically* lawful for use. According to my friend, he said that he was in contact with a firearms lawyer out of edmonton, who got ahold of the RMH RCMP, and set everything straight. Since then he has traveled quite a bit out of the country with no issues and has dealt with RCMP on more positive matters without issue or mention of previous charges. I'll Ask him if he'll go get paper documentation about his charges being dropped but releasing that document is up to him.
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Thanks for the reply, His papers of the charge dismissal in relation to these magazines would be very helpfull to anyone in future facing the same charge for the same item/items

was he reimbursed by the RCMP for his costs of dealing with the matter? (I only ask because people in this thread believe it costs the falsely accused nothing to deal criminal charges that are later dropped)
 
SquidMeister said:
Thats all that took place was that consultation.
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SquidMeister said:
OP of that thread here:

To Answer your question, the charges were dropped after the RCMP were in contact with me mate's council and realized they had no legal basis to the charges and that the mags were *technically* lawful for use. According to my friend, he said that he was in contact with a firearms lawyer out of edmonton, who got ahold of the RMH RCMP, and set everything straight. Since then he has traveled quite a bit out of the country with no issues and has dealt with RCMP on more positive matters without issue or mention of previous charges. I'll Ask him if he'll go get paper documentation about his charges being dropped but releasing that document is up to him.
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Not being an idiot here, but acting on a clients behalf and contacting the RCMP is more than any consultation has ever included for me.

Why I find it surprising
 
shawn said:
Yet another one of your BS points destroyed

Shawn
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I guess you feel your time is worth nothing, I like to be compensated for my wasted time and mental anguish, you obviously could care less about your time.

It worked out well in his case, but for other like me who spent a year with charges and multiple court dates or others like Mike Hargreaves who spent over a decade with criminal charges and a firearms prohibition before charges were dropped, the costs are vastly greater. Many lose their families and homes because of the strain if puts on them.
 
Brian46 said:
I guess you feel your time is worth nothing, I like to be compensated for my wasted time and mental anguish, you obviously could care less about your time.

It worked out well in his case, but for other like me who spent a year with charges and multiple court dates or others like Mike Hargreaves who spent over a decade with criminal charges and a firearms prohibition before charges were dropped, the costs are vastly greater. Many lose their families and homes because of the strain if puts on them.
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Go ahead post up this "many" people

One guy who claims to have had everything happen to him but refuses to actually post anything and the few isolated cases that have happened do not make the status quo. Or even a balanced view or reality. I bet you claim to have been charged when you gun was stolen too dont you

Shawn
 
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shawn said:
Go ahead post up this "many" people

One guy who claims to have had everything happen to him but refuses to actually post anything and the few isolated cases that have happened do not make the status quo. Or even a balanced view or reality. I be you claim to have been charged when you gun was stolen too dont you

Shawn
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When you face frivolous criminal charges and have to hire a lawyer, you will be amazed at the number of cases your lawyer can sight where someones life was ruined only to have charges dropped at a later date, in court etc.

It would be nice if the media sensationalized charges being dropped like they do with ones arrest and charges being laid, but that doesn't get any ratings so it usually goes unpublished. Would be nice to see some statistics on arrests and charges vs how many get dropped and after how long, number of unnecessary prohibitions and conditions, etc. But again the government does not want a database with those figures all together or there would already be one.

I have never claimed to be charged because someone stole a firearm from me, no idea why you are attempting to make things up or why your focus is only on firearms related cases. I am discussing the criminal justice system as a whole when I talk about charges vs conviction ratio
 
LOL

So now you cant support your position so you have to move the goal posts and its about everyone that have every been charged.

Whos making up stuff now? LOL

I never said you did say that only that I bet that you would had we been talking about that.

Shawn
 
shawn said:
LOL

So now you cant support your position so you have to move the goal posts and its about everyone that have every been charged.

Whos making up stuff now? LOL

I never said you did say that only that I bet that you would had we been talking about that.

Shawn
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huh, I never moved anything, you obviously have only done selective reading, I have explained what happened to me in detail before on this forum, you are the one not believing me and now you wish to narrow the scope to not include my own case/charges, might as well just narrow the scope to charges related to beowulf mags only since there has only been one case so that supports your argument of a
few isolated cases that have happened do not make the status quo. Or even a balanced view or reality.
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I guess you just want to argue with yourself
 
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