Beowulf mags??? what's the scoop 2016

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While I don't usually agree with Brian46, you can't say he's wrong about bulletin 72. That's just more RCMP opinion about the law. None of us know how the Beowulf mags would play out in court. While I, and the rest of you, might think he's putting too much weight on the SFSS letter, he's not out to lunch by any means and he does actually own 50 Beowulf and 458 Socom guns. I won't presume that he owns 50 Beowulf mags but y'all can draw your own conclusions.
 
rommelrommel said:
While I don't usually agree with Brian46, you can't say he's wrong about bulletin 72. That's just more RCMP opinion about the law. None of us know how the Beowulf mags would play out in court. While I, and the rest of you, might think he's putting too much weight on the SFSS letter, he's not out to lunch by any means and he does actually own 50 Beowulf and 458 Socom guns. I won't presume that he owns 50 Beowulf mags but y'all can draw your own conclusions.
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^^^It's amazing that someone actually gets it

Those that argue that bulletin 72 or some other RCMP opinion overrides another RCMP opinion are holding on to false hope, Bulletin 72 was written before the Beowulf mag issue, The SFSS lab letters and emails stating they are prohibited came out much later.

Hopefully this goes to court at some point and the ruling is favorable to all gun owners, but it could go a number of different ways.
 
Is there a non-restricted FRT for a 50beo rifle?

It would be interesting for them to claim that 50beo mags are actually AR mags but that the BEO rifle isn't a variant.

FF
 
Brian46 said:
^^^It's amazing that someone actually gets it

Those that argue that bulletin 72 or some other RCMP opinion overrides another RCMP opinion are holding on to false hope, Bulletin 72 was written before the Beowulf mag issue, The SFSS lab letters and emails stating they are prohibited came out much later.

Hopefully this goes to court at some point and the ruling is favorable to all gun owners, but it could go a number of different ways.
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This is also our point. You have one organization that has two conflicting opinions. The LAW as it's written, isn't opinion, it's law. Shawn has posted that law in this thread many times and it supports the fact that beowulf mags are legal.

As much as I hate arguing with you as it's like talking to a rock, Shawn's right, we have to do it so others don't constantly get fed misinformation.

Bulletin 72 carries no more weight than the SFSS letter, you can argue that point til the cows come home. It still doesn't change the bloody laws!
 
J_Scott said:
Bulletin 72 carries no more weight than the SFSS letter, you can argue that point til the cows come home. It still doesn't change the bloody laws!
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tell that to the guys that carry copies of and preach 72 religiously like it is kryptonite against the RCMP. I know better than to be so naive.

The issue needs to go to court unless the guy who had his charges dropped finds some usefull documentation in relation to why and makes it available
 
The guys who carry copies of Special Bulletin #72 are hoping to avoid a situation like the one below. Candidly, I don't know that if a constable wants to put the bracelets on you, that yelling, "Special Bulletin #72 says its legal!" is going to help you in the moment.

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Note that the guy is COMPLETELY out to lunch in that he says if you match a legal magazine with a legal firearm you wind up with an illegal prohibited firearm.

FF


Brian46 said:
tell that to the guys that carry copies of and preach 72 religiously like it is kryptonite against the RCMP. I know better than to be so naive.

The issue needs to go to court unless the guy who had his charges dropped finds some usefull documentation in relation to why and makes it available
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FyreFighter said:
Is there a non-restricted FRT for a 50beo rifle?

It would be interesting for them to claim that 50beo mags are actually AR mags but that the BEO rifle isn't a variant.

FF
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I dunno about a NR FRT # but the restricted AR15 entries specifically say that 50 Beowulf magazines capable of holding more than 5 rounds of 223/5.56 are prohibited.
 
rommelrommel said:
I dunno about a NR FRT # but the restricted AR15 entries specifically say that 50 Beowulf magazines capable of holding more than 5 rounds of 223/5.56 are prohibited.
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When did that happen? Do you have the means to post it?

They was a company back east some place manufacturing plastic .50 cal mags... Pre$$ €heck ventures? I wonder if they're still in the game or if they've been shut down.
 
rommelrommel said:
I dunno about a NR FRT # but the restricted AR15 entries specifically say that 50 Beowulf magazines capable of holding more than 5 rounds of 223/5.56 are prohibited.
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Yea, that is a significant claim right there. Care to specifically post some factual info regarding that.

Moe
 
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FyreFighter said:
Is there a non-restricted FRT for a 50beo rifle?

It would be interesting for them to claim that 50beo mags are actually AR mags but that the BEO rifle isn't a variant.

FF
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While I cant answer you FRT question

I can pose another question for the its illegal guys

Are all the AR mags that are 7.62x39 Prohib if they hold more than 5 556?
Are all the AR mags that are 7.62x51 Prohib if they hold more than 5 556?

If you did answer yes to both of the above you dont believe your own argument, after all they are all AR mags and by you logic are limited to five rounds of 556

Shawn
 
shawn said:
While I cant answer you FRT question

I can pose another question for the its illegal guys

Are all the AR mags that are 7.62x39 Prohib if they hold more than 5 556?
Are all the AR mags that are 7.62x51 Prohib if they hold more than 5 556?

If you did answer yes to both of the above you dont believe your own argument, after all they are all AR mags and by you logic are limited to five rounds of 556

Shawn
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Neither of those hold/feed 556 properly.

What I do find funny though is that the majority of the various brands of Beowulf mags on the market here in canada do not feel the 50 beowulf rounds properly, yet feed 556 without failure.

This is something the SFSS opinion touches on with the retaining 556 features part
 
Brian46 said:
Neither of those hold/feed 556 properly.

What I do find funny though is that the majority of the various brands of Beowulf mags on the market here in canada do not feel the 50 beowulf rounds properly, yet feed 556 without failure.

This is something the SFSS opinion touches on with the retaining 556 features part
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LOL sure go ahead and post were "most" .50 mags do not feed .50

So now you are adding feed to the list of requirements under the law? Post up were the law says anything about feeding.

Shawn
 
whether it feeds effectively or not 556 ammo is legally irrelevant
whether 556 ammo can be inserted in the mag is legally irrelevant
whether x amount of 556 can be inserted in the mag is legally irrelevant

Magazine originally designed, intended and manufactured for is what is relevant. It cannot hold more than 5 or 10 of what it was originally designed, intended and manufactured for.

Answer that question and you have answered all legal tests.

AA holds a patent for 50 beowulf cartridge and magazine. 50 beowulf is what it was originally designed, intended and manufactured for.

What you put in your mag is your business.
 
You can make the same argument with pistol mags
The Rumour going around that the Baywolfe mag's wear prohibited probably started right here on CGN to begin with
Sometimes the fire arm community are their own worst enemy It's legal to use pistol magazines as well as the evil Baywolfe mag's
If they were prohibited you would not be allowed to even have one in your position unless it was deactivated
Relax and enjoy Your Baywolfe and pistal mag's
 
mikethebike said:
whether it feeds effectively or not 556 ammo is legally irrelevant
whether 556 ammo can be inserted in the mag is legally irrelevant
whether x amount of 556 can be inserted in the mag is legally irrelevant

Magazine originally designed, intended and manufactured for is what is relevant. It cannot hold more than 5 or 10 of what it was originally designed, intended and manufactured for.

Answer that question and you have answered all legal tests.

AA holds a patent for 50 beowulf cartridge and magazine. 50 beowulf is what it was originally designed, intended and manufactured for.

What you put in your mag is your business.
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Shut this thread down. This gentleman has put it best. They are legal because they are NOT illegal.
 
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