Do you remember the 858/Swiss Arms saga ? No compensation, no grandfathering... That would be my bet if they went this way
Beowulf mags??? what's the scoop 2016
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Do you remember the 858/Swiss Arms saga ? No compensation, no grandfathering... That would be my bet if they went this way
rommelrommel
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Call them up and ask what the "Canadian Law Comments" section says for FRT #121656. But to save you some time:
In the case of AR platform rifles chambered for the 50 Beowulf calibre, the magazine is adapted from the original 5.56x45 NATO version of the magazine but the ability of the magazine to perform as originally designed has not been compromised by the adaption. As a result such magazines are prohibited if they contain more than five 5.56x45 NATO cartridges. The magazines are in effect dual calibre magazines and are prohibited if they exceed five shots capacity of either calibre. An AR platform magazine limited to no more than five 5.56x45 NATO (223 Remington) cartridges will hold no more than two 50 Beowulf cartridges.
i'm sorry but the general public doesnt have access to that information so I will continue until companies producing and/or these devices are shut down and face criminal charges.
I guess we now know how the RCMP intends to deal with the "dual use" issue they have stated before on these mags when they get their way.
It will be the end user "low hanging fruit" the RCMP will go after first unfortunately. Businesses have a lot more money to throw in a legal fight.
Also the "dual caliber" thing has no basis in law
The law is clear and the "dual cailiber" is not part of it. I love how you guys love to site the RCMP as gospel when they say something you like but they are completely incompetent and out to get you when they dont. You cant have it both ways either they know what they are talking about or they dont.
How many of these people were foaming at the mouth when the RCMP said the following:
That you had to have a range membership to transfer a restricted
That you had to have a range membership to buy a restricted
That you had to provide your PAL info to verify a PAL
When their website said a non ristriced always had to have a trigger lock on it
When .50 bes mags first came out and the RCMP site said they were legal
And the list goes on and on and yet some people still think they are a valid source of information
Shawn
The law is clear and the "dual cailiber" is not part of it. I love how you guys love to site the RCMP as gospel when they say something you like but they are completely incompetent and out to get you when they dont. You cant have it both ways either they know what they are talking about or they dont.
How many of these people were foaming at the mouth when the RCMP said the following:
That you had to have a range membership to transfer a restricted
That you had to have a range membership to buy a restricted
That you had to provide your PAL info to verify a PAL
When their website said a non ristriced always had to have a trigger lock on it
When .50 bes mags first came out and the RCMP site said they were legal
And the list goes on and on and yet some people still think they are a valid source of information
Shawn
rommelrommel
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
you get that in written form.......?
Why do you guys have to be so antagonistic when all I've done is give you information?
I gave info. Someone asked for proof so I gave the best proof I have access to. Did I tell anyone that their mags are illegal? No. In fact I'm pretty clearly on the side of original AA mags being legal. Did I suggest that FRT notes are the law? No, and again in fact I've proclaimed dozens of times on CGN that dual use/purpose magazines are a recently made up nonsense.
rommelrommel
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Thank you for taking my post in the spirit that it was offered.
I thought the emoji sort of made it good spirited ribbing no ? I appreciate any info and I certainly understand the message conveyed. Honestly though I'd like to see the text is all i don't doubt something written about it exists somewhere it would just be nice to see it and the email or officials name attached to it.
Cheers
sort of made it good spirited ribbing no ? I appreciate any info and I certainly understand the message conveyed. Honestly though I'd like to see the text is all i don't doubt something written about it exists somewhere it would just be nice to see it and the email or officials name attached to it.Cheers
rommelrommel
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
It's physically in the FRT and I've seen it, but was not given a copy. Sorry if I read something into your post that wasn't there but I've passed on info before and been called a liar too many times just because the receipients didn't like the contents.
Was I ever wrong oops !
I called the Canadian firearms center the 5 round Baywolfe mag's are prohibited unless it is been pined for only two Baywolfe round don't that suck donkey balls
The good thing is I never got any Baywolfe mag's yet
The 10 round AR pistal mag's are 100% as long as they are clearly marked and manufactured as pistol magazines
Really sucks for the guys that have actual Rifle that shoots Baywolfe ammo
Monitors Realy need to clarify Baywolfe status and make it a sticky we would all be much better off
Call the call the Canadian firearm Center and clarify it for yourself
I called the Canadian firearms center the 5 round Baywolfe mag's are prohibited unless it is been pined for only two Baywolfe round don't that suck donkey balls
The good thing is I never got any Baywolfe mag's yet
The 10 round AR pistal mag's are 100% as long as they are clearly marked and manufactured as pistol magazines
Really sucks for the guys that have actual Rifle that shoots Baywolfe ammo
Monitors Realy need to clarify Baywolfe status and make it a sticky we would all be much better off
Call the call the Canadian firearm Center and clarify it for yourself
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If the FRT table is not law, why are other things listed on that same table as prohibited not legal to own/possess in Canada?
Why do importers submit rifles to the RCMP for examination to get an FRT if the table and it's contents mean nothing?
Border services won't let it into the country without a FRT. Simple as that. Doesn't make it the law, just bureaucracy.
so I don't have to worry about possessing anything with a prohibited FRT entry inside of Canada, according to you it only matters for importation and has nothing to do with the law?
Thanks for your take on how the criminal courts look at possession of prohibited firearms, accessories and devices listed on the FRT table, but I will not be practicing your opinion.
Firearms are regularly imported into Canada that do not yet have an FRT number, this would also not be possible if your assertion was correct
Runningfool
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This is getting tiresome. See post #80.
There is no basis in law or regulation for the RCMP's lab to classify firearms. Similarly, there is no basis for their decision to be considered final.
Facts on the ground: the lab classifies firearms and we have to live with the repercussions.
If it ever went to trial, the Crown would assert that the evidence seized from you was prohibited by law or regulation because it met a specific criteria. If the firearm was prohibited for an engineering reason (e.g. variant of a named prohib), you would likely have to find an expert to testify that the firearm was not a named variant. Then it would boil down to which expert the judge believed.
That being said, the legal team which reviews those documents before they get published feels confident enough to say that "All magazines for 50 Beowulf calibre AR platform firearms presently on the Canadian market are prohibited devices." That's a pretty strong statement and doesn't hit paper lightly.
FF
Facts on the ground: the lab classifies firearms and we have to live with the repercussions.
If it ever went to trial, the Crown would assert that the evidence seized from you was prohibited by law or regulation because it met a specific criteria. If the firearm was prohibited for an engineering reason (e.g. variant of a named prohib), you would likely have to find an expert to testify that the firearm was not a named variant. Then it would boil down to which expert the judge believed.
That being said, the legal team which reviews those documents before they get published feels confident enough to say that "All magazines for 50 Beowulf calibre AR platform firearms presently on the Canadian market are prohibited devices." That's a pretty strong statement and doesn't hit paper lightly.
FF
Was that where? I bet no RCMP lawyer or policy wonk had a look at that. Even the FRT doesn't say that. It leads to:
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