Beowulf mags??? what's the scoop 2016

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shawn said:
You are the one claiming that feeding is now part of the law

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Never said that, you may have inferred that from my post, but that is your doing, not mine.

I offered the reliability up simply as information, not many here realize that many of the "50 beowulf" magazines on the Canadian market are unable to feed the rounds it was designed for because it retains it's 556 features.

This is the contention of the RCMP prohibition (frt entry and SFSS letters) it matters not what you or I think, the RCMP was given full authority over gun legalities in canada
 
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FyreFighter said:
If you dont want to hear it, unsubscribe from the thread and dont participate. Otherwise, you can "post 80" yourself. And I would be surprised if you dont get an infraction for your post.

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He has no ability to carry out a discussion on a topic without resorting to personal attacks, Its best just to ignore people like that
 
We sit here and go back and forth all the time. Truth is, the wording of the law basically states that the only thing of paramount importance is what the magazine was designed and built for. That's it.

While I don't have experience with some of the aftermarket designs, AA designed and built the 50 mags for his 50 gun. The fact that the mag also works with .223 in a .223 gun is irrelevant with respect to the law.

People keep spewing the FRT and the RCMP/CFC. People need to realize that the FRT is merely an opinion paper. That's it. It is not law. Sure it can be used as evidence in a court case, but that doesn't mean it is definitive. The opinion of a law enforcement officer/agency means squat to me. Every time an officer arrests somebody and they get released without charges, or found not guilty in court just proves that opinions CAN be wrong wrt the law.
 
Stopped by the LGS and had them look up the FRT entry and it exists, also learned that all importation of 50 Beowulf mags has been denied for some time now via the RCMP's notification to CBSA. Currently the magazines that are on the market are either stock that he been lying around, local in country manufacture, or smuggled in as some other magazine (Grey market).

Unfortunate situation for those of us than now have a mag capacity of 2.
 
FrankieT said:
We sit here and go back and forth all the time. Truth is, the wording of the law basically states that the only thing of paramount importance is what the magazine was designed and built for. That's it.

While I don't have experience with some of the aftermarket designs, AA designed and built the 50 mags for his 50 gun. The fact that the mag also works with .223 in a .223 gun is irrelevant with respect to the law.

People keep spewing the FRT and the RCMP/CFC. People need to realize that the FRT is merely an opinion paper. That's it. It is not law. Sure it can be used as evidence in a court case, but that doesn't mean it is definitive. The opinion of a law enforcement officer/agency means squat to me. Every time an officer arrests somebody and they get released without charges, or found not guilty in court just proves that opinions CAN be wrong wrt the law.
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If the FRT was of no relation to law whatsoever, we would all legally be able to own full autos and AK's
 
Brian46 said:
If the FRT was of no relation to law whatsoever, we would all legally be able to own full autos and AK's
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???

Full autos are prohibited by law. They are so described in the FRT, which is a catalogue of firearms. They are not prohibited because the FRT lists them as such.
 
tiriaq said:
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Full autos are prohibited by law. They are so described in the FRT, which is a catalogue of firearms. They are not prohibited because the FRT lists them as such.
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people here are suggesting ignoring the FRT entry because it is not law, without that table with its definitions of each entry, how does one know if they in fact have an AK or variant there of as described in that table?
 
tiriaq said:
Last year's thread was started 05/19/2015.
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The thread in which I asked if anyone had a copy of the RCMP approval for the Cproducts mags being sold at the time?

Never came across such a copy, I ended up borrowing some of the mags, but they did not function well enough to buy any
 
Brian46 said:
people here are suggesting ignoring the FRT entry because it is not law, without that table with its definitions of each entry, how does one know if they in fact have an AK or variant there of as described in that table?
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They don't. That is the beauty of the Canadian Firearms Act. The regulation doesn't provide a definition variant. Who gets to decide? A judge.
 
Bill Alexander likely did NOT build 50 Beo mags. It is far more likely that he said, "What the largest projectile I can fit into a standard AR mag?" and built the rifle around that.

That would mean the magazine was designed and built for an AR. It would also mean NO magazine was designed and built for 50 beo guns.

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FrankieT said:
While I don't have experience with some of the aftermarket designs, AA designed and built the 50 mags for his 50 gun. The fact that the mag also works with .223 in a .223 gun is irrelevant with respect to the law.
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Bill Alexander also created the 6.5 Grendel which doesn't work worth a crap in a 5.56 mag. The mags that the RCMP have an issue with are ones that are simply 5.56 spec mags stamped as .50 Beowulf Pistol. Ones that have actually had dimensions changed specifically for the .50 Beowulf should not be an issue.

Most manufacturers will make whatever someone wants as long as they pay. If some unscrupulous business wants to buy 5.56 mags that have stamped/marked as .50 and market them as such the manufacturer likely doesn't care. They may not even realize that the order was an attempt to skirt the law in another country.
 
sunborn said:
They don't. That is the beauty of the Canadian Firearms Act. The regulation doesn't provide a definition variant. Who gets to decide? A judge.
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there are various different frt#'s for the prohibited AK's on the frt table, but if you ignore all the entries, the descriptions and defenitions that are contained in the FRT database, I can see how you would require a judge to tell you it is in fact a prohibited rifle you were caught with.

Yet again everyone seems to forget that the new liberal government gave the power to the RCMP to decide all gun legalities in Canada shortly after coming to power. They even have stopped certain parts of C-42 from coming in to force.
 
Brian46 said:
He has no ability to carry out a discussion on a topic without resorting to personal attacks, Its best just to ignore people like that
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Brian, I've had many discussions about this very topic with you. You've proven your inability to listen to logic and keep parroting the same tired lines about your own legal challenges. You just don't get it... Besides, No personal attak has been made. It seems you've been proven wrong yet again.
 
Brian46 said:
If the FRT was of no relation to law whatsoever, we would all legally be able to own full autos and AK's
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You are conveniently interpreting posts quite similarly to how erroneously the RCMP interpret the law when they classify rifles. The FRT is related to law since it is the "bible" law enforcement use to guide them wrt firearms issues. Law enforcement IS just one branch of our justice system. Parliament and the Judicial system are the other two. It is somewhat a system of checks and balances. The final say lies with the judges, not the law enforcement (FRTs).
 
Why do I feel like this thread is an annual fishing expedition; trying to get people to identify themselves as having these magazines in their possession. This thread just gives me a strange feeling, it pops up at regular intervals, regurgitates the same old crap, and by many of the same people.
 
Deuce-deuce said:
Brian, I've had many discussions about this very topic with you. You've proven your inability to listen to logic and keep parroting the same tired lines about your own legal challenges. You just don't get it... Besides, No personal attak has been made. It seems you've been proven wrong yet again.
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sorry, must have been the other brian you were talking to in post 80, oh wait, someone edited the thread lol
 
FrankieT said:
You are conveniently interpreting posts quite similarly to how erroneously the RCMP interpret the law when they classify rifles. The FRT is related to law since it is the "bible" law enforcement use to guide them wrt firearms issues. Law enforcement IS just one branch of our justice system. Parliament and the Judicial system are the other two. It is somewhat a system of checks and balances. The final say lies with the judges, not the law enforcement (FRTs).
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"parliament", the current government in charge has turned it over to the RCMP to make all the decisions regarding gun legality in Canada.

It is a risky gamble to lay all your chips on getting a sympathetic judge.

I don't agree with them reducing the capacity to two rounds in Beowulf chambered rifles, but until someone gets an invitation via criminal charges and pushes for a court date, we really don't know what will happen.
 
Edenchef said:
Why do I feel like this thread is an annual fishing expedition; trying to get people to identify themselves as having these magazines in their possession. This thread just gives me a strange feeling, it pops up at regular intervals, regurgitates the same old crap, and by many of the same people.
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I could care less if anyone in this thread has them or not, this is a discussion, not a contest to see who has how many of whatever
 
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