We need a Canadian M6 Scout rifle.

Would you want a M6 Scout clone?

  • Yes

    Votes: 108 85.0%

  • No

    Votes: 19 15.0%
  • Total voters
    127
Grelmar, great to see you had success with your Shortlane adapter.

I had once upon a time, a Dina Arms adapter (1993ish) of similar length as yours, and it was very reasonable with 357 handloads in a Savage 24-C.

This was an exceptionally good experience, not ever duplicated with the much shorter shotshell size adapters. Which I was alluding too, because they are more common.

cheers...
 
Brutus said:
Grelmar, great to see you had success with your Shortlane adapter.

I had once upon a time, a Dina Arms adapter (1993ish) of similar length as yours, and it was very reasonable with 357 handloads in a Savage 24-C.

This was an exceptionally good experience, not ever duplicated with the much shorter shotshell size adapters. Which I was alluding too, because they are more common.

cheers...
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I've played with the shorter adapters... Not worth the price of the ammo being shot through them.
 
What makes the SA M6 Scout better than the Chiappa? Well other than it's a Chiappa. I've got a Chiappa on the way now, I'm planning on a full strip and getting it flat nickel plated. If it fits under the seat in my side by side, it'll get a trigger lock and spend a lot of time 'stored' there.
 
PGW Steve said:
What makes the SA M6 Scout better than the Chiappa? Well other than it's a Chiappa. I've got a Chiappa on the way now, I'm planning on a full strip and getting it flat nickel plated. If it fits under the seat in my side by side, it'll get a trigger lock and spend a lot of time 'stored' there.
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#1 Weight.

The Chiappa is just over 1lb heavier - and that's just the base gun, without the adapters. Given that the M6 comes in a a svelte 4.7lbs, and the Chiappa 5.8lbs, that's over a 20% difference in weight. for something that I want for a pack gun (and I suspect a lot of people interested in these are interested for similar reasons), that's a massive, deal killer, right there. Pounds = pain.

#2 Wrong Gauge Shotgun

It's a survival gun. Not a "OMG OMG SHTF AND I NEED A GUN THAT CAN SHOOT EVERY BULLET I MIGHT EVER FIND!!!!" gun. And there's a difference. A survival/pack gun is NOT a defensive firearm (except in dire circumstances), and as a single shot (two shot if you include the .22lr under... Umm... Just don't), it doesn't matter what size of boom you're putting down the pipe - if you get into a gunfight with this, the odds are stacked against you.

But even there, you can get some pretty stiff .410 defensive loads now (Winchester PDX comes to mind.) You don't need a 12 gauge. All a 12 gauge really gets you for this application is larger/heavier shells, so you can carry a lot less of them with you.

A survival gun is a "Feed me until I get the hell out of here or rescued" gun.

.410 and .22lr can feed you. That's the design goal of the gun - always was, even in it's military service. And you can carry a LOT more .410 (about 2&1/2 times as much) for the same space/weight as 12 gauge. Throwing in the .410 chamber insert just adds extra weight to the platform, it just becomes this cyclical "defeats the purpose" situation.

#3 Crap Materials

Specifically that foam butstock insert. What... the... Heck... I've never seen a foam that didn't start flaking and disintegrating after a few years. I don't care what Crappa says about what kind of wonder-material they made it out of... It chips easy. This is a gun that needs to be able to take some knocks. The Crappa doesn't pass the smell test for materials.

Also, the machining and finish quality of the metal is spotty. These guns are known to rust in front of your eyes.

Just those above three things eliminate it from contention, as far as I'm concerned.
 
Soooooo.......has anybody put out feelers on this one yet? Just wondering what the manufacturing options are at this point.
 
Having owned a CZ-produced M6 in the past (which I foolishly parted with - ah, youth...), I'd be on one of these like a hobo on a ham sandwich. It would need to be either of the .22 rimfires (LR or WMR - and I'd personally prefer the WMR) and .410, as anyone who thinks 20 ga in this would anything less than abusive is delusional. Although the 14-16" would put a uniquely Canuck twist on it, I'd personally prefer the 18.25" as it could stay in my vehicle when I transit the border on vacation and hunting trips, but if it had to be the chopped version I'd still be in for at least one...
 
grelmar, thank you for your assessment. I didn't consider the weight, as it will be riding in an ORV. If I do carry it, it won't be very far. FWIW, the one I bought the 20 gauge version, I have no interest in chamber inserts. I feel 22lr/20ga provide enough versatility with CCI Quiet on the low end to HVHP in the rimfire up top. The variety of 20ga ammo is very diverse, can't go wrong with that one, bird, buck and slugs.

Yeah, the foam butt insert looks cheesy, I'll have to see. I do have some fabrication skills, so perhaps if I despise this thing enough, I'll rework it. For me however, I plan on zeroing it and only using it should the need arise, plus occasional shake down runs. It won't be a regular plinker as I have a fleet of rimfires to keep me entertained. Machining and finish quality can be addressed with some sanding and polishing before I get it plated, think silk purse! It is all relative, but I consider it a cheap gun compared to some of the stuff I normally play with. If it goes bang and can keep the bullets reasonably close together it will serve the purpose.

grelmar said:
#1 Weight.

The Chiappa is just over 1lb heavier - and that's just the base gun, without the adapters. Given that the M6 comes in a a svelte 4.7lbs, and the Chiappa 5.8lbs, that's over a 20% difference in weight. for something that I want for a pack gun (and I suspect a lot of people interested in these are interested for similar reasons), that's a massive, deal killer, right there. Pounds = pain.

#2 Wrong Gauge Shotgun

It's a survival gun. Not a "OMG OMG SHTF AND I NEED A GUN THAT CAN SHOOT EVERY BULLET I MIGHT EVER FIND!!!!" gun. And there's a difference. A survival/pack gun is NOT a defensive firearm (except in dire circumstances), and as a single shot (two shot if you include the .22lr under... Umm... Just don't), it doesn't matter what size of boom you're putting down the pipe - if you get into a gunfight with this, the odds are stacked against you.

But even there, you can get some pretty stiff .410 defensive loads now (Winchester PDX comes to mind.) You don't need a 12 gauge. All a 12 gauge really gets you for this application is larger/heavier shells, so you can carry a lot less of them with you.

A survival gun is a "Feed me until I get the hell out of here or rescued" gun.

.410 and .22lr can feed you. That's the design goal of the gun - always was, even in it's military service. And you can carry a LOT more .410 (about 2&1/2 times as much) for the same space/weight as 12 gauge. Throwing in the .410 chamber insert just adds extra weight to the platform, it just becomes this cyclical "defeats the purpose" situation.

#3 Crap Materials

Specifically that foam butstock insert. What... the... Heck... I've never seen a foam that didn't start flaking and disintegrating after a few years. I don't care what Crappa says about what kind of wonder-material they made it out of... It chips easy. This is a gun that needs to be able to take some knocks. The Crappa doesn't pass the smell test for materials.

Also, the machining and finish quality of the metal is spotty. These guns are known to rust in front of your eyes.

Just those above three things eliminate it from contention, as far as I'm concerned.
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I know it's not really something you guys are known for Steve but is there any chance you might be able to give making one of these a try? You could probably market it to civi's and gov't alike I would imagine...I dunno, just an idea.
 
After having owned and shot one for many years. I vote for 22Lr over 410/45Lc or ( .454 Cassull, 460S&W ) With an improved trigger and guard ( I don't shoot with mittens ) and the pivot point that allows the gun to fold more completely in stainless steel only.
 
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