This is directed at some of the gunsmiths and others that really know there stuff here on CGN. As some may know I have being having on going extraction issues with a Savage Model 10 FCP .308 ever since I purchased the firearm. It has been out to the warranty shop (3) three times. Here is what has been done to it the first (2) two times. Problem after 4 or 5 shots would not extract until action had cooled off to about normal unfired temperature. or beat on bolt which sometimes worked sometimes not. all in all it seemed to be a heat issue. Now I cannot say if too tight a chamber or what but the warranty shop says reset headspace good to go. Time frame about a year plus or minus. (I didn't really keep track of the time frame to close). received rifle back and installed scope and of to range. So I was able to fire a number of shots and extraction was normal then on about 4th shot hard extraction 5th shot hard extraction. this went on for a box of 20 factory shells would sometimes extract and sometimes wouldn't, I tried different brand of shells same thing. Contacted Savage US and I was given a number for a nice lady at Savage Canada. She arranged to have Rifle shipped back to warranty shop. Shop returned Rifle I again installed scope and off to range. By the way note in the case said polished chamber. (keep this in mind) So with hi hopes I loaded 5 rounds in magazine and aimed and fired. checked target and it was dead on height wise and 1 inch to left great. Now worked the bolt, no extraction. let it cool a bit and tried again no way, beat on bolt finally out comes the case. There I am thinking this cannot be true. Tried about 6 more shells same thing. Packed everything up and went home. I then sent an facebook massage to the warranty shop as I have had no luck with email on first occasion with the shop. Sure enough got a private massage to send email to owner which I did. next day got a email to call the owner. Which I did he wanted to know what I had done different then what the shop had done, installed scope and my 20moa base (Near Base very good base) Oh right away that's my problem had me look in chamber for screw protruding in to chamber it was not and also wasn't into chamber as it screwed into where barrel threads. were and screw was not long enough to hit them. I had already checked all this before going to range. So I was told to pack it up and return the rifle again (with my base this time) Which I did. I just got a email saying chamber is rusty no warranty and they want $80.00 plus shipping. Now I have been a heavy duty mechanic/Tech. for about 45 years I have worked on engines, hydraulics, air systems, electrical systems, the whole range. anything on a tractor, loader, grader, Haul trucks, highway trucks, shovels, drills anything in a mine. I have overhauled the engines , rebuilt turbos. blowers, pumps you name it I have probably worked on it. But they are telling me chamber is rusty is causing this issue, not very likely unless it was bad enough to be pitted all to hell. which it wasn't. I have cleaned the chamber with a .308 chamber brush a lot of times with bore cleaner, brakekleen oiled it and wiped it down and never seen any sign of rust. If there is any and I am not saying there isn't it would just be minor surface rust. which would be perfectly normal and chambers are not something we are suppose to oil much and are to be wiped before firing. So after all this I guess I would like some gunsmiths thoughts and ideas. I am at my wits end here. To me it sounds like a chamber issue and barrel should be replaced. or as some have said on here set back and re chambered. All this has taken about 3 years and I am right back where I started. Bottom line I guess $1200.00 3 years and a rifle I cannot shoot.
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Has anyone tried to re ream the chamber with a finish reamer?
Have you checked a fired case dimensions ?
Have you done a chamber cast ?
or a Pound cast and measured results
I have heard if the neck is too long casings can stick in the chamber till cool
If you know anyone that reloads, get them to give you some sized but un trimed cases with long necks to try--- use black marker or layout ink on the brass before you chamber check them
Have you tried reloads ?
Get a gunsmith to remove barrel -shorten it 1/8 or so (so it cleans-up) and re final ream it and re install (Savage is a barrel lock nut so easy to do with tools)
Has anyone tried to re ream the chamber with a finish reamer?
Have you checked a fired case dimensions ?
Have you done a chamber cast ?
or a Pound cast and measured results
I have heard if the neck is too long casings can stick in the chamber till cool
If you know anyone that reloads, get them to give you some sized but un trimed cases with long necks to try--- use black marker or layout ink on the brass before you chamber check them
Have you tried reloads ?
Get a gunsmith to remove barrel -shorten it 1/8 or so (so it cleans-up) and re final ream it and re install (Savage is a barrel lock nut so easy to do with tools)
1. Any amount of rust in a chamber could cause hard extractions.
2. You live in a pretty wet part of the world, have you ever fired what might be considered corrosive ammunition out of the rifle?
3. Did you try to fire the rifle without the base installed?
4. Any reloads or factory ammunition only?
I have paragraphed your note and changed punctuation to make this mess readable. perhaps someone else might have some suggestions for you.
Scott
This is directed at some of the gunsmiths and others that really know there stuff here on CGN.
As some may know I have being having on going extraction issues with a Savage Model 10 FCP .308 ever since I purchased the firearm. It has been out to the warranty shop (3) three times. Here is what has been done to it the first (2) two times.
Problem after 4 or 5 shots would not extract until action had cooled off to about normal unfired temperature, or beat on bolt which sometimes worked sometimes not, all in all it seemed to be a heat issue. Now I cannot say if too tight a chamber or what but the warranty shop says reset headspace good to go.
Time frame about a year plus or minus. (I didn't really keep track of the time frame to close). Received rifle back and installed scope and off to range. So I was able to fire a number of shots and extraction was normal then on about 4th shot hard extraction, 5th shot hard extraction, this went on for a box of 20 factory shells would sometimes extract and sometimes wouldn't. I tried different brand of shells same thing.
Contacted Savage US and I was given a number for a nice lady at Savage Canada, she arranged to have Rifle shipped back to warranty shop. Shop returned Rifle I again installed scope and off to range. (By the way note in the case said polished chamber, keep this in mind) So with hi hopes I loaded 5 rounds in magazine and aimed and fired, checked target and it was dead on height wise and 1 inch to left great. Now worked the bolt, no extraction. let it cool a bit and tried again no way, beat on bolt finally out comes the case. There I am thinking this cannot be true. Tried about 6 more shells same thing. Packed everything up and went home.
I then sent an facebook massage to the warranty shop as I have had no luck with email on first occasion with the shop, sure enough got a private massage to send email to owner, which I did. Next day got a email to call the owner, which I did. He wanted to know what I had done different then what the shop had done, installed scope and my 20moa base (Near Base, very good base) Oh right away that's my problem had me look in chamber for screw protruding into chamber it was not and also wasn't into chamber as it screwed into where barrel threads. were and screw was not long enough to hit them. I had already checked all this before going to range. So I was told to pack it up and return the rifle again (with my base this time) Which I did.
I just got a email saying chamber is rusty no warranty and they want $80.00 plus shipping. Now I have been a heavy duty mechanic/Tech. for about 45 years I have worked on engines, hydraulics, air systems, electrical systems, the whole range. anything on a tractor, loader, grader, Haul trucks, highway trucks, shovels, drills anything in a mine. I have overhauled the engines , rebuilt turbos. blowers, pumps you name it I have probably worked on it, but, they are telling me chamber is rusty is causing this issue. Not very likely unless it was bad enough to be pitted all to hell, which it wasn't.
I have cleaned the chamber with a .308 chamber brush a lot of times with bore cleaner, brakekleen oiled it and wiped it down and never seen any sign of rust. If there is any and I am not saying there isn't it would just be minor surface rust. which would be perfectly normal and chambers are not something we are suppose to oil much and are to be wiped before firing.
So after all this I guess I would like some gunsmiths thoughts and ideas. I am at my wits end here. To me it sounds like a chamber issue and barrel should be replaced. or as some have said on here set back and re chambered. All this has taken about 3 years and I am right back where I started. Bottom line I guess $1200.00 3 years and a rifle I cannot shoot.
2. You live in a pretty wet part of the world, have you ever fired what might be considered corrosive ammunition out of the rifle?
3. Did you try to fire the rifle without the base installed?
4. Any reloads or factory ammunition only?
I have paragraphed your note and changed punctuation to make this mess readable. perhaps someone else might have some suggestions for you.
Scott
This is directed at some of the gunsmiths and others that really know there stuff here on CGN.
As some may know I have being having on going extraction issues with a Savage Model 10 FCP .308 ever since I purchased the firearm. It has been out to the warranty shop (3) three times. Here is what has been done to it the first (2) two times.
Problem after 4 or 5 shots would not extract until action had cooled off to about normal unfired temperature, or beat on bolt which sometimes worked sometimes not, all in all it seemed to be a heat issue. Now I cannot say if too tight a chamber or what but the warranty shop says reset headspace good to go.
Time frame about a year plus or minus. (I didn't really keep track of the time frame to close). Received rifle back and installed scope and off to range. So I was able to fire a number of shots and extraction was normal then on about 4th shot hard extraction, 5th shot hard extraction, this went on for a box of 20 factory shells would sometimes extract and sometimes wouldn't. I tried different brand of shells same thing.
Contacted Savage US and I was given a number for a nice lady at Savage Canada, she arranged to have Rifle shipped back to warranty shop. Shop returned Rifle I again installed scope and off to range. (By the way note in the case said polished chamber, keep this in mind) So with hi hopes I loaded 5 rounds in magazine and aimed and fired, checked target and it was dead on height wise and 1 inch to left great. Now worked the bolt, no extraction. let it cool a bit and tried again no way, beat on bolt finally out comes the case. There I am thinking this cannot be true. Tried about 6 more shells same thing. Packed everything up and went home.
I then sent an facebook massage to the warranty shop as I have had no luck with email on first occasion with the shop, sure enough got a private massage to send email to owner, which I did. Next day got a email to call the owner, which I did. He wanted to know what I had done different then what the shop had done, installed scope and my 20moa base (Near Base, very good base) Oh right away that's my problem had me look in chamber for screw protruding into chamber it was not and also wasn't into chamber as it screwed into where barrel threads. were and screw was not long enough to hit them. I had already checked all this before going to range. So I was told to pack it up and return the rifle again (with my base this time) Which I did.
I just got a email saying chamber is rusty no warranty and they want $80.00 plus shipping. Now I have been a heavy duty mechanic/Tech. for about 45 years I have worked on engines, hydraulics, air systems, electrical systems, the whole range. anything on a tractor, loader, grader, Haul trucks, highway trucks, shovels, drills anything in a mine. I have overhauled the engines , rebuilt turbos. blowers, pumps you name it I have probably worked on it, but, they are telling me chamber is rusty is causing this issue. Not very likely unless it was bad enough to be pitted all to hell, which it wasn't.
I have cleaned the chamber with a .308 chamber brush a lot of times with bore cleaner, brakekleen oiled it and wiped it down and never seen any sign of rust. If there is any and I am not saying there isn't it would just be minor surface rust. which would be perfectly normal and chambers are not something we are suppose to oil much and are to be wiped before firing.
So after all this I guess I would like some gunsmiths thoughts and ideas. I am at my wits end here. To me it sounds like a chamber issue and barrel should be replaced. or as some have said on here set back and re chambered. All this has taken about 3 years and I am right back where I started. Bottom line I guess $1200.00 3 years and a rifle I cannot shoot.
The rifle has been a problem from new I don't think I have been able to fire 20 rounds out of it in a row if fact I know darn well I haven't been able to. I wanted Savage to fix their mistake/problem. From what I have read on the Savage shooters forum they don't have a problem in the states getting these thing fixed. (seems there are quite a few rifles with this issue) Here it seems to be a problem with the warranty shop. So I haven't had any of this done because I would have to pay plus it would be a longish time frame if I could even find a gunsmith to do this. I have looked into getting a prefit and installing but it is going to be pricey. Fired cases from this gun and my Savage 10 BAS-T are the same measure the same +or- .001.
I have fired the gun with the factory base and it worked for about 4 rounds till gun heated up. again when cooled down. not a problem. Fired 90% factory ammo Federal, Remington and Nosler. and maybe 15 rounds of my own reloads. all give same problems. My thoughts on this is every time I send this away it comes back more screwed up then it was before. According to the things I have been able to find out about in the US Savage has no problems replacing the whole rifle if people have had these sorts of troubles. I am going to bring all this up with Savage Canada tomorrow and see where it gets me but I am not going to hold my breath. So my bottom line is warranty place has done by their statements what ever they felt like and never actually checked any thing that has been mentioned here. I find it highly unlikely they did a chamber cast probably never bore scoped it and as far as the rust issue there was no rust in the chamber while I had it here. and if they wet polished it there is where the rust came from.
They said Federal blue box. I have been using Federal red box 150gr and Remington express core-lokt 150gr and Nosler custom 168gr
paid by cheque here in Salmon Arm
nowarningshot
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Think i know the problem....Savage.
They could have sent you a brand new rifle for the bad press and word of mouth just passed on to 140,000 members. People just dont get it, the product is only half the equation, like anything else it is a people business and Savage does not care...for their customer, or give any thought to customer service.
They could have sent you a brand new rifle for the bad press and word of mouth just passed on to 140,000 members. People just dont get it, the product is only half the equation, like anything else it is a people business and Savage does not care...for their customer, or give any thought to customer service.
Sounds like savage is taking the low road for sure. I think the advice about a quick finish ream might be the fix.
Whoever said he lives in a wet part of the world is way off. Salmon arm is in the mountains...humidity is usually quite low. Much lower than anything coastal or great lakes.
If you need to borrow tools I'm sure we could arrange something. I'm in merritt and get out that way once in a while.
Whoever said he lives in a wet part of the world is way off. Salmon arm is in the mountains...humidity is usually quite low. Much lower than anything coastal or great lakes.
If you need to borrow tools I'm sure we could arrange something. I'm in merritt and get out that way once in a while.
Just popped on in for that hey? Cool
I am not an English teacher. I don't write for a living. and I cannot spell worth a damn. in fact I hate writing.
I just want to let people know what we as Canadians have to deal with concerning warranty. plus some ideas. I guess my biggest ##### is It is going to cost me a fair amount to fix this and I should not have too.
A competent gunsmith should be able to fix this by simply using a correct reamer that cuts a correct throat. Excessive pressure with factory ammo usually indicates a tight chamber with a very short throat. Increasing the throat length will reduce pressure. The barrel should be set back one thread and re chambered correctly and then test it. I would forget about warranty... write it off to experience...
