Josh Bowmar SPEARS GIANT BEAR On The Ground - Alberta Canada

K-Roc said:
Interesting how the "drum beat" on CGN is always "Lefties" and 'Liberal-tards" cant handle talking about different sides of an issue or hearing a different opinion

I have talked with 3 hunters so far. None of them agree with this method of hunting bc of inaccuracy and it doesn't promise a clean kill.

As for the guy, well, he seems not right in the head and a general disrespect for the bear was pretty obvious.
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Speak to ten Canadians outside of CGN or your local range and they will all agree that YOU should not own guns. And that anyone who wants to own a gun is not right in the head.

Do you REALLY want to submit to the opinion of others? And if not then why would you believe that other people should submit to your opinion?
 
DANCESWITHEMPTIES said:
Thinking it over last night: There's one thing that does kinda throw me & I'm not a pathologist. But in that video they did mention that the bear died so quick Rigor mortis didn't kick in? It would regardless, but from what little I know the duration may be quicker due to the nature of the kill. Again, if the statements were true that it drop 60 to 70 meters from where it was hit & they recovered it in the morning you would think rigor would still be set in or it still had not set in? That bear still appeared flexible when hauled it out of the scrub it was laying in? Again I'm not a bear hunter & realize temperature affects this but that part of that video kinda makes me question what actually took place?..
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The guy who made the comment about rigour doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. Just ignor it.
 
K-Roc said:
What an odd answer. So we can do anything "we want to do?"

I do many things I don't want to do... and I don't do many things I want to do. Just saying.
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Why do you not do things you want to do?

He wanted to kill a bear with a spear, the way all our ancestors used to. It was legal so he figured out a way to do it and experience something few people have the nuts to do. Don't see where the problem is here?

That YOU don't approve is entirely irrelevant.

While you are sitting in your self righteous indignation, maybe spend a second to consider there are millions of people in this country who don't believe you should be able to own a firearm. Is your opinion on spear hunting more important than their opinion on gun ownership?
 
DANCESWITHEMPTIES said:
Thinking it over last night: There's one thing that does kinda throw me & I'm not a pathologist. But in that video they did mention that the bear died so quick Rigor mortis didn't kick in? It would regardless, but from what little I know the duration may be quicker due to the nature of the kill. Again, if the statements were true that it drop 60 to 70 meters from where it was hit & they recovered it in the morning you would think rigor would still be set in or it still had not set in? That bear still appeared flexible when hauled it out of the scrub it was laying in? Again I'm not a bear hunter & realize temperature affects this but that part of that video kinda makes me question what actually took place?..
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Rigor isn't necessarily a long term event, nor permanent. Temps, muscle mass, etc., effect its onset and duration.
 
Canada officials may charge U.S. hunter who speared bear to death:

http://ca.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idCAKCN10R1L5

CALGARY, Alberta (Reuters) - Alberta may file charges against a U.S. hunter who posted a video of himself killing a black bear with a spear, wildlife officials said on Tuesday, as the Canadian province moved to ban spear hunting.
The video, which sparked outrage online, shows hunter Josh Bowmar baiting a trap for the bear in a wooded area and then impaling the animal with a long spear with a camera attached to it.
Bowmar, 26, defended the way he killed the bear while Alberta Environment Ministry spokesman Kyle Ferguson described the hunt as "unacceptable" and "archaic."
"We will introduce a ban on spear hunting this fall," Ferguson said. "In the meantime, we have asked Fish and Wildlife officers to investigate this incident to determine if charges are warranted under existing laws."
Bowmar, a javelin thrower and hunter, uploaded the video in June, local media reported. It appears to have been taken down, but has since been uploaded onto other YouTube accounts.
"I drilled him perfect," Bowmar jubilantly tells the camera. "That was the longest throw I ever thought I could ever make."
Bowmar runs an Ohio-based fitness company and was a university athlete, according to the business' website.
The killing was ethical, and "no one cares more about these animals than us hunters," Bowmar told Reuters in an email. He estimated the bear ran 60 yards (55 meters), then died. He argued that a spear is a more humane weapon than a bow.
In a response to a comment on her Facebook page, Bowmar's wife, Sarah, said on Monday her husband's critics have "nothing better to do."
Local media reported that local outfitters John and Jenn Rivet helped Bowmar in the hunt. They did not respond to requests for comment. The couple's website advertises black bear hunts and features photos of hunters with guns posing next to dead bears.

Bow hunting is legal in Alberta and 19 percent of 119,000 big game hunters in the province last year purchased archery hunting permits, according to a government website. No figures were given for spear hunting permits.
Alberta hunting license revenues totaled C$18.8 million in the 2015-16 season.
Last year, American dentist Walter Palmer sparked global outrage when he killed Cecil, a rare black-maned lion, with a bow and arrow outside Hwange National Park in western Zimbabwe. The country said it would not charge him because he had obtained legal authority to conduct the hunt.
(Reporting by Nia Williams in Calgary, writing and additional reporting by Ethan Lou in Toronto,; editing by Alistair Bell and Alan Crosby)
 
The guy Spears it in the guts. That is not a humane quick kill. Animal cruelty charges would be awesome. I think that the outfitter should loose their licence and be banned from hunting. The Alberta hunter Ed program chapter one is about ethics. Obviously none of these folks have a clue what that is.dont get me wrong I'm all for hunting. I think spear fishing would a nice challenge even, but gut spearing a bear, leaving it till the next day to bleed out with it guts out isn't right.
 
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skypilot said:
Rigor isn't necessarily a long term event, nor permanent. Temps, muscle mass, etc., effect its onset and duration.
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This is what I was alluding to: Taking into account it was evening & temperature was cooler It would take rigor longer to set in; but assuming it was 1st light the next morning they found it, you would think rigor mortis would still be set in? Again, no pathologist here, but you'd think it would take at least a day for it to subside in that weather?... Again maybe I got it wrong? Is there a doctor in the house?
 
Big-boss-man said:
The guy Spears it in the guts. That is not a humane quick kill. Animal cruelty charges would be awesome. I think that the outfitter should loose their licence and be banned from hunting. The Alberta hunter Ed program chapter one is about ethics. Obviously none of these folks have a clue what that is.dont get me wrong I'm all for hunting. I think spear fishing would a nice challenge even, but gut spearing a bear, leaving it till the next day to bleed out with it guts out isn't right.
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Leaving it until the next day is common practice with bow hunters. I'm assuming that you don't hunt? If they continued to pursue the bear while wounded, there's a good chance it would be lost as the bear would continue to flee.

Should a hunter who makes a bad shot with a rifle also be charged with animal cruelty?
 
Scott_N said:
Leaving it until the next day is common practice with bow hunters. I'm assuming that you don't hunt? If they continued to pursue the bear while wounded, there's a good chance it would be lost as the bear would continue to flee.

Should a hunter who makes a bad shot with a rifle also be charged with animal cruelty?
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If they don't go after the animal and put it down. Not necessarily animal cruelty (I was being fasitious) but I'm sure the law allows for something.

Also I don't know one person who wouldn't attempt to track a wounded animal. After all these assists apparently found the bear 55 meters from where he shot it? Give me a break. If it was that close the should if finished it off
 
Big-Boss-man...I should realize by now that this is a gun forum and not everyone on here will be hunters or have a clue about it, which you certainly don 't. Maybe you should learn a little about anatomy first; it was a clean and ethical harvest. Great throw and congrats to him on his bear.
 
Big-boss-man said:
If they don't go after the animal and put it down. Not necessarily animal cruelty (I was being fasitious) but I'm sure the law allows for something.
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Chasing after a wounded animal is not always the best idea......... An adrenaline charged wounded animal can run a long way, causing a lost animal, wasted meat and potentially an animal that suffers even more than it woukd if it were left alone.....
 
Big-boss-man said:
If they don't go after the animal and put it down. Not necessarily animal cruelty (I was being fasitious) but I'm sure the law allows for something.

Also I don't know one person who wouldn't attempt to track a wounded animal. After all these assists apparently found the bear 55 meters from where he shot it? Give me a break. If it was that close the should if finished it off
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No offense intended, but if you don't hunt, don't post an opinion on how it should be done.
 
.5MOA said:
Big-Boss-man...I should realize by now that this is a gun forum and not everyone on here will be hunters or have a clue about it, which you certainly don 't. Maybe you should learn a little about anatomy first; it was a clean and ethical harvest. Great throw and congrats to him on his bear.
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Whatever you say. A gut shot IS NOT an ethical clean harvest. And if that is what your super hunter sense let's you believe I feel sorry for the animals you take. Or attempt to which ever the case may be.
 
Big-boss-man said:
Whatever you say. A gut shot IS NOT an ethical clean harvest. And if that is what your super hunter sense let's you believe I feel sorry for the animals you take. Or attempt to which ever the case may be.
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Ah, a troll. Gut shots happen sometimes. It doesn't make it unethical, it makes it a bad shot. What, you think the hunter tried to make a bad shot, whether it by by rifle, bow, or spear? All the hunters I know always try to make a clean kill. The truth is it doesn't always happen. If you hunted, you'd know that.
 
DANCESWITHEMPTIES said:
This is what I was alluding to: Taking into account it was evening & temperature was cooler It would take rigor longer to set in; but assuming it was 1st light the next morning they found it, you would think rigor mortis would still be set in? Again, no pathologist here, but you'd think it would take at least a day for it to subside in that weather?... Again maybe I got it wrong? Is there a doctor in the house?
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I never worked a bearocide as LE so...... However, generally the hotter the temperature, the quicker the onset of rigor and the quicker the breakdown and the diminishing of rigor mortis.

We'd need some data to come to any reputable conclusion about onset of rigor, then we could reach an opinion based on when rigor would cease. From those one could determine a reasonable time of death.

That is loosely how it works.
 
Big boss man............ethical kill (according to the information on the video) it died and pretty quick too..... Would I have shown the video the way it is for all to see, probably not but am I suggesting they ban that type of game harvesting, I am not....

Got to have a lot of balls to do something like that, not sure many have his stones..... That would be something pretty cool to do but I don't have the stones...too scary for me...
 
It never ceases to amaze me how many people, on a gun forum no less, spout their self-righteous indignation and beat their chests on topics about which they clearly know absolutely nothing!!!

K-Roc, BBMan, sorry, but you do not have a clue. Every one of your pronouncements and comments makes that abundantly clear to those who do hunt. Why don't you save this stuff for Facebook? They seem to specialize in ignorance...and, no, I'm not being "fasitious".:rolleyes:
 
skypilot said:
I never worked a bearocide as LE so...... However, generally the hotter the temperature, the quicker the onset of rigor and the quicker the breakdown and the diminishing of rigor mortis.

We'd need some data to come to any reputable conclusion about onset of rigor, then we could reach an opinion based on when rigor would cease. From those one could determine a reasonable time of death.

That is loosely how it works.
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Agreed. Not trying to come to any hard conclusion. And as mentioned before by another poster, not sure if the guy in the vid has a clue or not. But I am starting to question if rigor can set in and diminish that quickly? IMO: It looked like a quick kill & with penetration as deep as claimed it would support that, even if the shot was aft of a 'boiler room' shot.

Any idea what the average temps would be in the Swan Hills area that time of year?
 
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