IRG Colt Le6933 with KAC accessories or colt Canada 11.6mrr
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Colt Canada MMR all the way, instead of a USA Colt product.
It's all in the bolt and barrel and in that regard the CC product is superior due to it's cold hammer forged barrel and superior chamber making process, among many other refinements that are built into the production of these CC MMR rifles quite possibly the best in the world (the chamber is completed at the same time for a far superior product due to less chance of irregularities in a nutshell).
Not to mention the newer CC design equaling greater stability and strength, "Made in Canada" prestige
, better resale value (due to the higher quality and the fact CC's will be made in far smaller numbers then their USA counterparts; making them more rare-more valuable when re-sale comes).
Barrel length options, superior cold weather capabilities along with a higher quality build and procedural mentality to the exacting standards that CC uses for all their products are even more reasons to buy Canadian over American.
Oh, yeah and another very important factor is that the rifle in the rare event it needs service or replacement, the Canadian made rifle will be serviced quickly and in Canada while the USA model will need to be slowly shipped from and back to Canada for service...
Finally dare I say superior reliability, accuracy, and ability to eat any ammo. with a higher success rate over the USA Colt, plus the Maple Leaf of course...
If you want to find a better USA AR perhaps looking into a full KAC rifle product would be what's needed, not saying it would be better then a CC MMR
just better then a USA Colt AR.
Cheers D
It's all in the bolt and barrel and in that regard the CC product is superior due to it's cold hammer forged barrel and superior chamber making process, among many other refinements that are built into the production of these CC MMR rifles quite possibly the best in the world (the chamber is completed at the same time for a far superior product due to less chance of irregularities in a nutshell).
Not to mention the newer CC design equaling greater stability and strength, "Made in Canada" prestige
, better resale value (due to the higher quality and the fact CC's will be made in far smaller numbers then their USA counterparts; making them more rare-more valuable when re-sale comes). Barrel length options, superior cold weather capabilities along with a higher quality build and procedural mentality to the exacting standards that CC uses for all their products are even more reasons to buy Canadian over American.
Oh, yeah and another very important factor is that the rifle in the rare event it needs service or replacement, the Canadian made rifle will be serviced quickly and in Canada while the USA model will need to be slowly shipped from and back to Canada for service...
Finally dare I say superior reliability, accuracy, and ability to eat any ammo. with a higher success rate over the USA Colt, plus the Maple Leaf of course
...If you want to find a better USA AR perhaps looking into a full KAC rifle product would be what's needed, not saying it would be better then a CC MMR
just better then a USA Colt AR.Cheers D
To be serious both are great AR's and would each serve you well. I'd personally go with the CC.
Most of the magic that happens with the KAC rifles are with it's rounded bolt lugs and the rest of the upper.
If I read correctly the IRG LE6933 only has a KAC hand guard and a nice sopmod stock. Overall I think the Colt Canada would be the better choice as it's a more modern design.
6933 will have a better resale value over CC MRR. Just look at what they're going for in the EE. They're far more rare up here than the MRR will be once released.
CC makes a good product but I personally want nothing to do with the MRR. It unnecessarily adds weight, uses proprietary parts and doesn't have a FSB. I personally feel that they've made a mistake by deciding to discontinue the plain SA20/15 models.
CC makes a good product but I personally want nothing to do with the MRR. It unnecessarily adds weight, uses proprietary parts and doesn't have a FSB. I personally feel that they've made a mistake by deciding to discontinue the plain SA20/15 models.
Not a big fan of monolithic uppers that require the use of a huge tubular barrel wrench , purely from the perspective as a guy who maintains his own weapons.
Since I don't have a full shop supported by the factory with their tools and jigs, it is a PITA to service a system like the MRR and IUR. It is essentially the same barrel nut system used by KAC URX 8 to 10 years go. The gas block needs to come off to insert the barrel wrench. The assemble could be efficient at the factory when a line is set up, but a major PITA for a small shop or a guy in the basement unless you make your own tools or have the factory tools ( which will be a 12" bored out hardened steel bar), and the PITA-ness will depend how exactly the gas block is affixed to the barrel. If it is not pinned, you may need another special tool to unscrew it from the barrel. I can even service hk416 at home, so this throw back to the old barrel nut system doesn't excite me much. The later KAC URX and colt USA monolithic upper can be wrenched from the bottom, even the early Dutch IUR.
The best system is hk 416 grooved barrel nut which Giessele lifted off ( and then copied by all others in different variations). Easy to wrench and no need to index. While monolithic upper with close bottom looks cool aesthetically, it is not armorer friendly unless you are supported by factory proprietary tools and jigs.
Since I don't have a full shop supported by the factory with their tools and jigs, it is a PITA to service a system like the MRR and IUR. It is essentially the same barrel nut system used by KAC URX 8 to 10 years go. The gas block needs to come off to insert the barrel wrench. The assemble could be efficient at the factory when a line is set up, but a major PITA for a small shop or a guy in the basement unless you make your own tools or have the factory tools ( which will be a 12" bored out hardened steel bar), and the PITA-ness will depend how exactly the gas block is affixed to the barrel. If it is not pinned, you may need another special tool to unscrew it from the barrel. I can even service hk416 at home, so this throw back to the old barrel nut system doesn't excite me much. The later KAC URX and colt USA monolithic upper can be wrenched from the bottom, even the early Dutch IUR.
The best system is hk 416 grooved barrel nut which Giessele lifted off ( and then copied by all others in different variations). Easy to wrench and no need to index. While monolithic upper with close bottom looks cool aesthetically, it is not armorer friendly unless you are supported by factory proprietary tools and jigs.
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mebiuspower
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Monolithic upper is so year 2000.
Existing handguard system from tier A companies are just as strong, and MUCH easier to service.
Existing handguard system from tier A companies are just as strong, and MUCH easier to service.
CreamySmooth
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Don't let guys blow smoke up yer pipe regarding the Colt Canada rifles. They are nice and may be "better" but not in any measurable way that you'll notice. And that mono upper crap is exactly that. Crap. Go watch a set of competitors, Absolutely zero will use a mono upper as they are slow and heavy. I take my Colt USA (which has extra freedom built in, rather than extra Socialism) and run it against the Federal Police force rifles and hands down I'm faster and more accurate through thier course of fire. It's not even hard.
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If CC sold these barrel nut wrenches for their IURs, that would be a huge bonus...too bad it will probably never happen.
The barrel wrench will be at least a 12" bored out steel bar. The KAC one for the old URX costs 300 USD
This is what it looks like to do this kind of barrel nut system:
Also, depending on the depth of the slots on the barrel nut, if you are not careful with the installation and let the wrench slip over the slots, you can damage the nut and can never get it out. Remember, you are trying to apply torque at least 10-12" from the nut, it is like working with a long socket with small engaging tooth. So preferably, you want a fixture that will hold on to the receiver instead of an extension rod that is popular these days.
See why I don't like this at all, unless properly made tools and fixtures are around. Not a surprise the guys at Calgary want to charge 140 dollars to swap barrels!
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mebiuspower
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The LMT MRP mounting system with the 2 cross bolts would have been a better option.
Or even the Vltor VIS.
Or even the Vltor VIS.
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The barrel wrench will be at least a 12" bored out steel bar. The KAC one for the old URX costs 300 USD
This is what it looks like to do this kind of barrel nut system:
Also, depending on the depth of the slots on the barrel nut, if you are not careful with the installation and let the wrench slips over the slots, you can damage the nut and can never get it out. Remember, you are trying to apply torque at least 10-12" from the nut, it is like working with a long socket with small engaging tooth. So preferably, you want a fixture that will hold on to the receiver instead of an extension rod that is popular these days.
See why I don't like this at all, unless properly made tools and fixtures are around. Not a surprise the guys at Calgary want to charge 140 dollars to swap barrels!
Sounds like a total pain in the ####, yikes.
ginseng503
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I am just a novice AR guy. I am happy with two IUR's. I understood I would not be changing their barrels much when I got them.
In the future if I want to swap out barrels, I will get the special tool, another AR, or ask O'Dell for advice.
In the future if I want to swap out barrels, I will get the special tool, another AR, or ask O'Dell for advice.
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Monolithic uppers love them or hate them. I don't think CC builds stuff on people's personal opinion. They are like any other company, they are market driven. They are building what their customer specify. Right now monolithic uppers are the current market trend. That's where all the R&D goes.
