Location for indoor range near GTA?

Good point... Hey CanAm, will this range be 24 hours?

A 24/7 range would be awesome. I would prefer to go in the middle of the night when there's hardly anyone there.

I go to a 24hr gym for the same reason. I usually go around 1am. My workout is almost 3 hours long as is, so waiting for equipment sucks.

Good point - 24 hour range indoor is a great idea! Waiting to join Colby here in Waterloo which is a 24 hour range as well with just a swipe key FOB system. Excellent idea
 
**by "accessible" I mean it would be nice to see a fee structure that might have some flexibility. For instance, I don't have an RPAL...but would like to own a .22 handgun and use it 1-2 times a month from about October to March. Perhaps a limited membership (for example, a quantity of range passes) option would be good with the option of buying extra passes.

Sorry, but what is it you're asking for here? If you don't have an RPAL, then you can't "own" a pistol... period. I don't see how a range can help you with owning one part-time (perhaps I'm misunderstanding?).

They do intend to have a classroom and offer courses, so perhaps you can take the CRFSC through them and get your RPAL. Then you can own a .22 pistol and shoot it year-round.
 
Sorry, but what is it you're asking for here? If you don't have an RPAL, then you can't "own" a pistol... period. I don't see how a range can help you with owning one part-time (perhaps I'm misunderstanding?).

They do intend to have a classroom and offer courses, so perhaps you can take the CRFSC through them and get your RPAL. Then you can own a .22 pistol and shoot it year-round.

Oh boy...point sort of missed. What I was meaning is this~there is no incentive to GET an RPAL with no access to a range to use a pistol. I'm fully aware of how the law works with respect to restricted firearms, but only have a passing interest in them anyway. I would never use a range every week, not even every month...probably only a few months a year. In an ideal world, club membership could be structured in a way that would have provisions for guys like me.

I do shoot allot though, so provided an excessive drive wasn't involved, they'd get my support in other ways. Ammo mostly, but reloading components..optics...rings/bases...very large clothing if they sold it. :)
 
Oh boy...point sort of missed. What I was meaning is this~there is no incentive to GET an RPAL with no access to a range to use a pistol. I'm fully aware of how the law works with respect to restricted firearms, but only have a passing interest in them anyway. I would never use a range every week, not even every month...probably only a few months a year. In an ideal world, club membership could be structured in a way that would have provisions for guys like me.

I do shoot allot though, so provided an excessive drive wasn't involved, they'd get my support in other ways. Ammo mostly, but reloading components..optics...rings/bases...very large clothing if they sold it. :)

Ah, I see. Like guys who only take 6 months road insurance on their motorcycles for the summer (I cover mine year round) Anyway, there is always an incentive to get an RPAL. If you want to own a pistol - there's a reason right there. You want to shoot it, even if only occasionally - there's another reason. The more RPAL holders and pistol owners in this country, the better - yet another reason. I say just get it, you'll be glad you did.
 
"As others have said..." you mean those living out east? :p Just as many people here have pointed out all the growth, development, potential and opportunities in the west as well. Let's face it... people out east want the new range out there, people out west want it by them. However, if you want take the 407 out of the equation, then in the east you are solely relying on the 401, which (in the east or west) is a nightmare at the best of times. It ranks as one of the (if not 'the') busiest highways in North America... that is saying a lot when you take all of the US into account. I wouldn't want to rely on the 401 only to get to my club. Normal congestion aside, one accident - you're screwed, any construction - you're screwed, bad weather - you're screwed. Toronto also doesn't have the same great secondary routes cutting east and west like you find going from Etobicoke through Mississauga, Oakville and Burlington. Along with the 403 and QEW, are also hwy's 2 (Lakesore), 5 (Dundas) & 7 (Queen), and other roads like Upper Middle, Eglinton/Lower Base, Britannia, Derry, Steeles, etc. I've travelled these roads A LOT, well over a million kms worth, (and directed traffic over them as well) and one thing is for certain... bad traffic is everywhere. The most you can hope for is to have as many alternate routes as possible, and in that regard, the west wins... hands down.

Said to some members here. I live in the middle but like I said travelling to the west is much irritating than to the east and north east. Always jammed pack with trucks and other commercial vehicles.
If members have to travel one hour or more to go a club (not including traffic) then I am one of them who will not be signing up for it.
Again, they built more highways to the west because they are always congested. They need it. Even with more highways, they are still congested.
I am not worried about something happen to 401 east or 404 north since I can't remember when the last time they closed them completely.
Traffic is everywhere. We just need to find the less one.
Look at the end of the day your opinion is the same as my opinion. They are just opinion. You obviously live in or close to the west and therefore wants new club in the west. I live in the middle but based on my experience travel to Burlington club, I prefer it on the east side.
Our opinion will always be bias.
I am not trying to convince you, and vice versa. I am giving my feedback to CanAm.
 
Can Am, if you decide to open one around north east north of dvp or east side, as long as you have more range options than Target Sports, I am in. Even if you charge more than the regular club is okay as long as it is close to 404 north or 401 eastand under 45 minute drive from Toronto. And 24 hours as well please. It is a stretch but if there is outdoor as well. You are golden.
 
Said to some members here. I live in the middle but like I said travelling to the west is much irritating than to the east and north east. Always jammed pack with trucks and other commercial vehicles.
If members have to travel one hour or more to go a club (not including traffic) then I am one of them who will not be signing up for it.
Again, they built more highways to the west because they are always congested. They need it. Even with more highways, they are still congested.
I am not worried about something happen to 401 east or 404 north since I can't remember when the last time they closed them completely.
Traffic is everywhere. We just need to find the less one.
Look at the end of the day your opinion is the same as my opinion. They are just opinion. You obviously live in or close to the west and therefore wants new club in the west. I live in the middle but based on my experience travel to Burlington club, I prefer it on the east side.
Our opinion will always be bias.
I am not trying to convince you, and vice versa. I am giving my feedback to CanAm.

True... our views on the traffic are opinions biased by our desire to see the club located closer to our home. But one fact you can't deny, (and have already acknowledged) is that there are more routes going west. You can claim they are "all busier"... but all of them combined are busier than just the 401 E/B...? C'mon, who are you trying to kid? The fact is, more routes and alternate routes means more options and more access, period. I never said the 401 "closed completely", often or otherwise, (but it does from time to time), but a simple truth is, one accident on the 401, especially during rush-hour, turns it into a complete nightmare and can double or triple your commute time (or even worse!). And when you're in the core heading east and that happens... what choices do you have? Not many... you're basically stuck there. However, if you're in the core heading west, and traffic gets jammed, there are plenty of alternate routes to take. Basically, if you're heading to the range to do some shooting, you don't have to write the whole trip off. More routes means more access. Something any business is sure to take notice of. And these aren't opinions, they are facts. This is my feedback that I'm giving to CanAm...
 
Everyone's gonna say "Put one where it's convenient for me."

So I'll say, put one in Mississauga, or near the airport, or something like that.
 
Opening an indoor range is a very expensive proposition.

Without state of the art filtering, you won't get environmental approval. It would have to be in an industrial area, because the is always noise even with sound proofing.

A fully functioning backstop and filtering system would be in the millions of dollars now.

Constructing an outdoor range within 200 miles of Toronto is virtually impossible. You need neighbour approval and there is ALWAYS someone who will object.

We were established for over 60 years in our location, and a couple of neigbours objected and our hours got restricted. It's almost an impossible task.
 
Opening an indoor range is a very expensive proposition.

Without state of the art filtering, you won't get environmental approval. It would have to be in an industrial area, because the is always noise even with sound proofing.

A fully functioning backstop and filtering system would be in the millions of dollars now.

Constructing an outdoor range within 200 miles of Toronto is virtually impossible. You need neighbour approval and there is ALWAYS someone who will object.

We were established for over 60 years in our location, and a couple of neigbours objected and our hours got restricted. It's almost an impossible task.

Wow, aren't you a ray sunshine?

I'm pretty sure CanAm is aware of all the costs, effort and legalities involved, or else they wouldn't have started this thread.

The fact is ranges do exist and new ones do open from time to time. It's not easy any means, but possible... and certainly worth the effort. Any range in the GTA is certain to make money.
 
True... our views on the traffic are opinions biased by our desire to see the club located closer to our home. But one fact you can't deny, (and have already acknowledged) is that there are more routes going west. You can claim they are "all busier"... but all of them combined are busier than just the 401 E/B...? C'mon, who are you trying to kid? The fact is, more routes and alternate routes means more options and more access, period. I never said the 401 "closed completely", often or otherwise, (but it does from time to time), but a simple truth is, one accident on the 401, especially during rush-hour, turns it into a complete nightmare and can double or triple your commute time (or even worse!). And when you're in the core heading east and that happens... what choices do you have? Not many... you're basically stuck there. However, if you're in the core heading west, and traffic gets jammed, there are plenty of alternate routes to take. Basically, if you're heading to the range to do some shooting, you don't have to write the whole trip off. More routes means more access. Something any business is sure to take notice of. And these aren't opinions, they are facts. This is my feedback that I'm giving to CanAm...

I never denied that there are a couple more highways to the west. Depends where the location of the club it may or may not worth the extra drive and time to detour. I also never said that all combined are busier than 401 EB. Come on boy...let's be real. All I am saying each time I went to Burlington in the day time, there is always heavy traffic plus piles of trucks and commercial vehicles.
That's my experience going to west. And I am not suggesting to CanAm just on the east side. I am also suggesting north east as well.

CanAm, I don't mind paying $600 just like what I pay at target sports Canada. Their location is pefect. In the Industrial area and close to 404. If you have more ranges and better than Target Sports, I will definitely switch to you.
 
I never denied that there are a couple more highways to the west. Depends where the location of the club it may or may not worth the extra drive and time to detour. I also never said that all combined are busier than 401 EB. Come on boy...let's be real. All I am saying each time I went to Burlington in the day time, there is always heavy traffic plus piles of trucks and commercial vehicles.
That's my experience going to west. And I am not suggesting to CanAm just on the east side. I am also suggesting north east as well.

CanAm, I don't mind paying $600 just like what I pay at target sports Canada. Their location is pefect. In the Industrial area and close to 404. If you have more ranges and better than Target Sports, I will definitely switch to you.

Perhaps you should re-read my post, boy. I stated clearly that you acknowledged there were more routes, so I certainly didn't claim you "denied" it. Now I'm not sure what your point is or what you're going on about. I was simply pointing out facts. We can all pile on as much rhetoric as we like, but in the end it's facts that are the most useful.

You don't like the traffic in the west and you certainly don't like trucks. (and you don't seem to have much use for Target). We get it. We all get it. You've made that very clear. But you still haven't addressed what alternate means are available to CanAm's potential customer base to reach any range in the east or north/east, should the 401 be closed or just jammed up. This is kind of important. So show us all how "real" you can be and list out some alternate routes.
 
Milton. Lots of open space still, access from the 401and 407. Country enough to like the outdoors, city enough to have everything you need.

Make it open to the public, no license or experience required, offer courses, offer a LEO/ emergency service/military/ veteran discount on the membership and if possible 24/7 swipe card range access. It'll work.
 
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