This guy seems fairly switched on...

Greenhorse six said:
The shotgun in the video is a older gun , at lest 10 years or older , you can tell from the square ejection port , newer one's are rounded at the back , wonder how many rounds he has through it ?
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It also has to be a fair bit lighter than a 590a1 or an 870p.

The way he holds it up effortlessly all time with one hand is a little more straining with the a1 & 870p.
 
Greenhorse six said:
The shotgun in the video is a older gun , at lest 10 years or older , you can tell from the square ejection port , newer one's are rounded at the back , wonder how many rounds he has through it ?
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Definitely an older model and I think its safe to say that he shoots a lot, but that gun could be a low milage used example he just picked up for all we know.

Anyway I emailed him and asked him, we'll see if he replies.
 
Got a reply;

My apologies for getting back to you so late
Yes I'm pretty hooked on the old simple Mossberg pump
With a few little mods

I am that kid who just can't leave things alone

As for how many rounds
I can't say for sure
I have been using it to teach train and take into harms way for the last 10 or 12 years
50K plus I'm sure and that's on the low end
 
870P said:
Got a reply;

My apologies for getting back to you so late
Yes I'm pretty hooked on the old simple Mossberg pump
With a few little mods

I am that kid who just can't leave things alone

As for how many rounds
I can't say for sure
I have been using it to teach train and take into harms way for the last 10 or 12 years
50K plus I'm sure and that's on the low end
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That's so Cool , thanks 870P .
 
870P said:
Got a reply;

My apologies for getting back to you so late
Yes I'm pretty hooked on the old simple Mossberg pump
With a few little mods

I am that kid who just can't leave things alone

As for how many rounds
I can't say for sure
I have been using it to teach train and take into harms way for the last 10 or 12 years
50K plus I'm sure and that's on the low end
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So this is an older 500 ? Appreciate you contacting him.
 
There seems to be a lot of people claiming the Mossberg is unreliable at high round counts. What I can't find is evidence. One member on here told me he didn't have time to explain why you shouldn't own a Mossberg. He had time to brag about how much he shoots his 870 but ran out of time before he could tell me why Mossbergs have such short lives. I've never had one fail and I've owned many and shot them alot. Anyone able to identify the failure points?
 
supernova said:
There seems to be a lot of people claiming the Mossberg is unreliable at high round counts. What I can't find is evidence. One member on here told me he didn't have time to explain why you shouldn't own a Mossberg. He had time to brag about how much he shoots his 870 but ran out of time before he could tell me why Mossbergs have such short lives. I've never had one fail and I've owned many and shot them alot. Anyone able to identify the failure points?
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I don't know about getting unreliable or being short lived, but the general consensus seems to be that they ultimately won't last as long as the 870. IMO the difference is academic to people who don't spend more each month on ammo than most people do on their mortgage.
 
870P said:
I don't know about getting unreliable or being short lived, but the general consensus seems to be that they ultimately won't last as long as the 870. IMO the difference is academic to people who don't spend more each month on ammo than most people do on their mortgage.
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Thats the same answer everyone gives. I'm asking what fails to make the gun unfixable? Not a geuss but documented evidence. No one seems to know? I think its just steel vs aluminum thinking that some have a misconception that aluminum cannot possibly do the job of steel. Every gun needs small repairs throughout a long service life, but if you say one has a drastically shorter service life I'd like to know exactly why. I'd like to know what wears out to the point the shotgun is unfixable? Does anyone know?
 
supernova said:
Thats the same answer everyone gives. I'm asking what fails to make the gun unfixable? Not a geuss but documented evidence. No one seems to know? I think its just steel vs aluminum thinking that some have a misconception that aluminum cannot possibly do the job of steel. Every gun needs small repairs throughout a long service life, but if you say one has a drastically shorter service life I'd like to know exactly why. I'd like to know what wears out to the point the shotgun is unfixable? Does anyone know?
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With the 870, it's apparently the receiver that gives out, with a crack starting at the rear of the ejection port, while from what little I could find, the Mossberg seems to fail to lock into battery, I'm guessing due to the receiver stretching or bending.

Aluminum receivers can certainly last a long time, Tom Knapp's Benelli M1 for example, had over 500K rounds through it when it was retired. However I don't think Mossberg uses the same grade of aluminum nor has the same level of engineering throughout.
 
870P said:
With the 870, it's apparently the receiver that gives out, with a crack starting at the rear of the ejection port, while from what little I could find, the Mossberg seems to fail to lock into battery, I'm guessing due to the receiver stretching or bending.
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The lock up on a Mossberg is steel to steel , with the bolt locking in to a barrel extension , little or no stress on the receiver .

The only issues I've ever heard of for the Mossbergs , are the forearms tend to start rattling with wear and the ones with a plastic trigger group , with very, very aggressive use , it's possible to break the 2 little tabs at the front of the trigger group housing that hold it in the receiver .

Oh , and Winchester white box target load ammo , that stuff will cause issues .lol
 
My first gun is my Mossberg 500. Bought in the mid 80's and was my only shotgun for 25 years. I'm no high volume sport shooter but it has seen tons of lead and steel. Grouse, ducks, geese, rabbits, varmints, and gobs of clay. Even used it on the farm slaughtering cows with slugs to the skull. 2 3/4, 3", buckshot, slugs, trap loads, magnums, it's fired them all, a lot. Never had a problem and no signs of it slowing down.
Can't comment on today's production.
 
Greenhorse six said:
The lock up on a Mossberg is steel to steel , with the bolt locking in to a barrel extension , little or no stress on the receiver .

The only issues I've ever heard of for the Mossbergs , are the forearms tend to start rattling with wear and the ones with a plastic trigger group , with very, very aggressive use , it's possible to break the 2 little tabs at the front of the trigger group housing that hold it in the receiver .

Oh , and Winchester white box target load ammo , that stuff will cause issues .lol
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What if the receiver stretching and/or bending even a little, is enough to keep the bolt lug from fully engaging the notch? The receiver may not contain the direct firing stresses, but it must still absorb a decent amount of secondary force and vibration.
 
870P said:
What if the receiver stretching and/or bending even a little, is enough to keep the bolt lug from fully engaging the notch? The receiver may not contain the direct firing stresses, but it must still absorb a decent amount of secondary force and vibration.
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No , honestly ,I can't see it , the receiver just being a box to keep all the parts together , the stress being on the bolt , lock and barrel extension , much like the AR15 , it would not stretch or bend at all .
I'm not trashing the 870 , it has stood the test of time , but there are a few things about it , like the if the ejector breaks , you pretty much need a smith to fix it , but on the Mossberg , I just need the part and a flat head screw driver .
 
Greenhorse six said:
No , honestly ,I can't see it , the receiver just being a box to keep all the parts together , the stress being on the bolt , lock and barrel extension , much like the AR15 , it would not stretch or bend at all .
I'm not trashing the 870 , it has stood the test of time , but there are a few things about it , like the if the ejector breaks , you pretty much need a smith to fix it , but on the Mossberg , I just need the part and a flat head screw driver .
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The violent recoil forces and harmonics don't exactly disappear into another dimension, everything gives way eventually, even steel receivers.

I've already mentioned the 870 receivers cracking, but a few months ago I saw it mentioned on a 3 gun forum how Benelli SuperNova receivers eventually stretch enough to cause the gun to fail, and those have an underlying steel frame.

Aluminum however is unlike steel in that it has the property of cumulatively fatiguing even if the stresses are well below its ultimate structural strength.

As far as the Mossberg design goes, I think its more modern and even a bit more mechanically reliable under adverse conditions than the 870. Despite my username I'm not really what you'd call an 870 fanboi.
 
Thanks for sharing the links, 870.

If I may interject...

I have owned both an 870 and a 590 for many years. I have a lot more rounds out of my 590 than I do my 870. I trust it more too.

This is my 870 after a day of shooting, broken firing pin.
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Badly tempered, Brittle, cracked? Maybe, but shortly after that the extractor went too. I've got her running 100 % now, but there was a point in time when changing parts ( like the mag tube spring that was bunching up into the tube retainer ) was normal.

Point is, test your gear. Nothing man made is perfect, or exempt because it has a name slammed on the side of it. They are both good.
 
Greenhorse six said:
No , honestly ,I can't see it , the receiver just being a box to keep all the parts together , the stress being on the bolt , lock and barrel extension , much like the AR15 , it would not stretch or bend at all .
I'm not trashing the 870 , it has stood the test of time , but there are a few things about it , like the if the ejector breaks , you pretty much need a smith to fix it , but on the Mossberg , I just need the part and a flat head screw driver .
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you'd think someone would have come up with an aftermarket DYI kit by now for replacing the 870 ejector.
 
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