whats with the hate of for NEA?

I don't think this is off topic as the op asked explicitly, but am surprised this thread isn't locked.
IIRC they also get flak for shilling, but honestly lot of biz do one level of shilling or another. Many "tactical" shops rely on groupies posting good reports on forums/FB groups.
I might be wrong and apologize if I'm misinformed, they also get flak for bad mouthing Canadian customers on a foreign forum. Although those things don't have any relationship to quality control, it might explain why there are so much emotional responses.
 
Suputin said:
Really? I know Jeff personally and I cannot imagine him acting in any way like that. He is one of the nicest people I have met in this industry and that is saying something as the gun industry is full of sharks.
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Yeah, I have to say that for all the the negative publicity, Jeff is a really decent person. He's a character, all right...I think anyone who accomplishes what he has in that space of time in this country would necessarily have a quirky personality and he does.

But he's a far better person than many I have known in this industry. If I was going to say anything bad about the guy, it'd maybe be that he gets so enthusiastic about his ideas that he gets carried along by his own persuasive force. I think that's why they've released stuff too soon in the past...he just believes so much in what he's doing at any given moment that he doesn't see a downside. That's how he built a gun manufacturing company practically overnight, when most people would say the market wouldn't support more than a part-time job. He made a company that employs people by mortgaging his home and taking big risks and he took them because he can't imagine things not working out because he's just that energetic and optimistic.

The downside is that he gets things half-finished and still believes in them. But I have rarely heard anyone say "NEA's warranty and service department wouldn't help me". Granted I have no problem saying that I have a fair amount of sympathy for the "but you shouldn't need the warranty on a properly built gun" argument.

But of all the criticisms I've heard of NEA, warranty service has not really been among them.
 
shillgate, NEA had a hidden account used to shill products.
4 yrs later and NEA is still here but the mod who publicized this fact and attempted to ban them is gone.
 
lone-wolf said:
shillgate, NEA had a hidden account used to shill products.
4 yrs later and NEA is still here but the mod who publicized this fact and attempted to ban them is gone.
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NEA does not have a CGN account. I talk to Jeff regularly and he has no idea of what is going on here. And for the most part he doesn't seem to care. Apparently running a gun company is more interesting than the sh!t talking that goes on here.
 
Suputin said:
Uhhhh and your point?

NEA are no longer on the forum. Are we really gonna justify the ongoing hate-on for the fact that they USED TO have an account here?
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The shilling isn't the real reason for the hate. It's the fact that they make crap. I found out two days ago that the latest gen NEA CCS stock I had isn't an anomaly. Every single one is made out of spec. My CC lower knuckle hole is .499" (exactly to spec). The knuckle on the CCS stock sold to me was .503", and after checking, NEA said none of the CCS stocks would fit my lower without grinding. WTF? The entire line is not built to spec. Absolutely no excuse for this. I want my money back. I don't want them to grind away the finish.

Not to mention the countless lower receiver parts that also didn't fit properly. You may know Jeff, but Jeff needs to fire some people or get out of the business.
 
Suputin said:
Really? I know Jeff personally and I cannot imagine him acting in any way like that. He is one of the nicest people I have met in this industry and that is saying something as the gun industry is full of sharks.
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Ditto this. I've spoken to Jeff on a few occasions and he's nothing but polite and down to earth as they get. I've bounced some specs and info off him in the past and have gotten a few follow up calls as he was genuinely concerned and interested. That took me by surprise 'cause I figured he'd just brush it under the rug and move on. No sir. Hat's off to Jeff. I got no beef with NEA.
 
NEA has had qc problems from the start. I assume this is because they are trying to make an entry level priced product and have cut corners to keep the price down. From what I understand, most issues are covered under warranty, but no one wants to be stuck with the hassle. They have also botched most of their on line relations, including shilling and a what I believe was a fake contest to name the CCS stock. I have a few parts and they are well made, but the colour never seems right. Overall, they seem to be upping their game, but it's not easy shaking a bad rep.

None of this sounds all that great, but at the same time I just got my CSA VZ back from warranty, which failed after 800 rounds. These things can happen, and it pisses me off as much as the next guy.
 
Suputin said:
Uhhhh and your point?

NEA are no longer on the forum. Are we really gonna justify the ongoing hate-on for the fact that they USED TO have an account here?
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I think the point is they were dishonest peddlers. The point is why they USED TO have an account and no longer do. Unscrupulous business practice.
Some people hold a grudge over such things, the knowledge that someone was once well known for being dishonest can taint future dealings.

Apparently running a gun company is more interesting than the sh!t talking that goes on here.
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If that was the case, they'd wouldn't of gotten run off for #### disturbing

My apologies for thinking NEA was still around here though. I really have no idea why I thought they were.
I also have no doubt that your friend is a nice guy in person, I also hope NEA continues to succeed.
 
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lone-wolf said:
If that was the case, they'd wouldn't of gotten run off for #### disturbing

My apologies for thinking NEA was still around here though. I really have no idea why I thought they were...
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And you really have no idea why they left either.

This is a large part of why NEA has a hard time shaking their bad rep - people repeating incorrect things they either "heard" from someone else or just made up to join the dogpile.

Let me give you the condensed version of why NEA chose to leave CGN, warts and all. NEA got caught shilling. Their first response was an attitude of "Well everyone in the industry does it.". They discovered in short order that this was the WRONG approach. Then they posted an open letter owning the whole fiasco, admitting fully that what they did was unequivocally wrong and that it was a mistake to try and rationalize the shilling. The mod that discovered the shilling got in an argument with greentips and was shown the door. People blamed NEA for his being banned.

NEA stayed on the forums for about 6 months after "shillgate" iirc. They chose to leave CGN. I'm not privy as to why they chose to leave but it was apparent to me that they were growing tired of every single NEA thread devolving into a hate-fest or re-hashing of their previous mistakes. Suputin's take on the reason why they are not here now is correct. I'm sure NEA wishes their reputation on CGN was better but I'm equally sure that it doesn't keep anyone at NEA up at night. As guys like suputin and misanthropist will tell you, the gun industry in Canada is a whole lot bigger than our little pond here called CGN.
 
Runningfool said:
They chose to leave CGN. I'm not privy as to why they chose to leave but it was apparent to me that they were growing tired of every single NEA thread devolving into a hate-fest or re-hashing of their previous mistakes..
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I think they said as much, and probably came to the conclusion that they'd sell just as many rifles without having to deal with the endless drama of trying to give updates to or take feedback from people who hate them. Frankly, it's looking like they weren't wrong.
 
I've enjoyed chatting back and forth with Jeff a bit. I've had a few problems which were fixed with no hassle. Week and a half IIRC compared to my KelTec's 6+ months.
I really like my NEA. Jeff had my rifle built, transfer approved and shipped the same day I said "sold". I had some EMT issues, the rifle was in my hands before I could sort out the EMT but Jeff didn't seem bothered by it.

I harass NEA every now and then to rip off the Nemesis Vanquish design in a .308 or 6.5 creedmore. Their rifles are also putting holes in ISIS #######s which I think is pretty awesome.

I think NEA learned their lesson about the court of CGN et el.
 
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