whats with the hate of for NEA?
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Well aren't you a special flower? Really? A busy company didn't reply to a fairly extensive and invasive question by ONE prospective customer and you go away in a snit?
Call up GM or Yamaha or any other big company and ask the same question and see what you get.
Then had better not buy a motor vehicle because ALL the care companies have had a major recalls at one time or another. Many people have died due to faulty cars.
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Your response is moronic on so many levels I deleted my response since it's not worth it
I like to be an educated and informed consumer and will spend my money on companies that show that respect
The question is backwards.
It's not "what's with the hate on for NEA?", it should be "what's with all the NEA apologists?".
Because last time I checked, KAC has no hate threads, LMT has no hate threads, Noveske doesn't have hate threads.
Maybe that's because they are companies that build quality stuff that doesn't have a plethora of wild QC issues and fail all the time. Heck, NEA is a Canadian company, if there was ONE AR mfg out of all AR mfgs that should theorically get soft criticism from Canadians, it's NEA. But this isn't the case. Norinco's chicom AR doesn't get so much hate.
Building an AR isn't rocket science, the blueprints have been public for a very long time (heck I have them on my cellphone for quick reference), the processes have been known through and through for decades. If NEA followed the blueprints and processes, like everybody else does, their #### wouldn't have the history it has now.
I mean #### me you write a program for the CNC machine, the machinist puts the piece (billet, forging, whatever) in the jig you made for it, presses some buttons, the machine takes care of building your #### within the specifications (if your bits and endmills aren't worn out, that is) and you're done, minus the finishing. You get something that doesn't have holes so out of spec the roll pins just fall out, on which known quality parts will fit AND align, that doesn't develop some weird-ass wear marks, you wouldn't see lowers with sidewalls so thin your credit card gets jealous looking at it, drill paths so obnoxiously large you could fit your #### in it, parts assembled so wrong they just fall or wiggle off, and a finish that doesn't look like the moon. Heck it makes the construction guy in me wonder if the #### I see wasn't just made with some bastard files, a bunch of bits and a hand drill, because it sure as heck looks like it.
But out of all the companies, the "highly experienced aerospacial" one can't figure it out.
... but they have good customer service.
It's not "what's with the hate on for NEA?", it should be "what's with all the NEA apologists?".
Because last time I checked, KAC has no hate threads, LMT has no hate threads, Noveske doesn't have hate threads.
Maybe that's because they are companies that build quality stuff that doesn't have a plethora of wild QC issues and fail all the time. Heck, NEA is a Canadian company, if there was ONE AR mfg out of all AR mfgs that should theorically get soft criticism from Canadians, it's NEA. But this isn't the case. Norinco's chicom AR doesn't get so much hate.
Building an AR isn't rocket science, the blueprints have been public for a very long time (heck I have them on my cellphone for quick reference), the processes have been known through and through for decades. If NEA followed the blueprints and processes, like everybody else does, their #### wouldn't have the history it has now.
I mean #### me you write a program for the CNC machine, the machinist puts the piece (billet, forging, whatever) in the jig you made for it, presses some buttons, the machine takes care of building your #### within the specifications (if your bits and endmills aren't worn out, that is) and you're done, minus the finishing. You get something that doesn't have holes so out of spec the roll pins just fall out, on which known quality parts will fit AND align, that doesn't develop some weird-ass wear marks, you wouldn't see lowers with sidewalls so thin your credit card gets jealous looking at it, drill paths so obnoxiously large you could fit your #### in it, parts assembled so wrong they just fall or wiggle off, and a finish that doesn't look like the moon. Heck it makes the construction guy in me wonder if the #### I see wasn't just made with some bastard files, a bunch of bits and a hand drill, because it sure as heck looks like it.
But out of all the companies, the "highly experienced aerospacial" one can't figure it out.
... but they have good customer service.
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^^^^ Well put. Actually, you can't really even find this level of hate threads for comparatively priced ARs. Norinco, Windham, etc appear to have fared well.
Theoretically, there should be more hate threads towards those top tiered AR companies you mentioned above because of their high price. With high prices, comes high expectations. It's easy to be critical when you have high expectations.
But NEA was priced quite low. Usually that equates with lower expectations. But one thing that we all expect is an AR to function properly. At any price. NEA fails at that. Out of spec parts is absolutely unacceptable in this day and age. One of the AR15s main appeals is the modular design. Having the ability to mix and match parts, optics, etc is paramount. But having parts out of spec defeats this ability, and quite frankly, frustrates the heck out of consumers. I hope one of the shill accounts is still active and they read these threads from the common folk.
When you run out of suckers to sell guns to overseas, you may very well wish you didn't treat some consumers like crap
Theoretically, there should be more hate threads towards those top tiered AR companies you mentioned above because of their high price. With high prices, comes high expectations. It's easy to be critical when you have high expectations.
But NEA was priced quite low. Usually that equates with lower expectations. But one thing that we all expect is an AR to function properly. At any price. NEA fails at that. Out of spec parts is absolutely unacceptable in this day and age. One of the AR15s main appeals is the modular design. Having the ability to mix and match parts, optics, etc is paramount. But having parts out of spec defeats this ability, and quite frankly, frustrates the heck out of consumers. I hope one of the shill accounts is still active and they read these threads from the common folk.
When you run out of suckers to sell guns to overseas, you may very well wish you didn't treat some consumers like crap
40,000 rifles to the Kurds would be pretty surprising.
4000 wouldn't be. They deal with the Kurds a lot.
4000 wouldn't be. They deal with the Kurds a lot.
I have a NEA a 2 generation i love it never had a litle problem shoot like a dreame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I hope to buy the New NEA 25 Non restricted (Buy one for sure very good product!)
I never buy a ATRS modern verminter (Price is very to high and exaggerated 4000$ i know is a quality rifle,,,,, but for non restricted black rifle no-way!!!)
I hope to buy the New NEA 25 Non restricted (Buy one for sure very good product!)
I never buy a ATRS modern verminter (Price is very to high and exaggerated 4000$ i know is a quality rifle,,,,, but for non restricted black rifle no-way!!!)
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The question is backwards.
It's not "what's with the hate on for NEA?", it should be "what's with all the NEA apologists?".
Because last time I checked, KAC has no hate threads, LMT has no hate threads, Noveske doesn't have hate threads.
Maybe that's because they are companies that build quality stuff that doesn't have a plethora of wild QC issues and fail all the time. Heck, NEA is a Canadian company, if there was ONE AR mfg out of all AR mfgs that should theorically get soft criticism from Canadians, it's NEA. But this isn't the case. Norinco's chicom AR doesn't get so much hate.
Building an AR isn't rocket science, the blueprints have been public for a very long time (heck I have them on my cellphone for quick reference), the processes have been known through and through for decades. If NEA followed the blueprints and processes, like everybody else does, their #### wouldn't have the history it has now.
I mean #### me you write a program for the CNC machine, the machinist puts the piece (billet, forging, whatever) in the jig you made for it, presses some buttons, the machine takes care of building your #### within the specifications (if your bits and endmills aren't worn out, that is) and you're done, minus the finishing. You get something that doesn't have holes so out of spec the roll pins just fall out, on which known quality parts will fit AND align, that doesn't develop some weird-ass wear marks, you wouldn't see lowers with sidewalls so thin your credit card gets jealous looking at it, drill paths so obnoxiously large you could fit your #### in it, parts assembled so wrong they just fall or wiggle off, and a finish that doesn't look like the moon. Heck it makes the construction guy in me wonder if the #### I see wasn't just made with some bastard files, a bunch of bits and a hand drill, because it sure as heck looks like it.
But out of all the companies, the "highly experienced aerospacial" one can't figure it out.
... but they have good customer service.
Apologists. That's funny. I detailed my first hand experience with NEA rifles in this very thread...3 of my own and several others and I gave specifics on the total collective issues...and offered to let people come and play with my NEA rifles so that they can see for themselves (always better than taking advice from blowhards who are tripping over each other to appear cool and clever on Internet forums). I've also posted in detail previously about my early gen NEA-15 with over 10,000 rounds through it, mostly hot/fast Norinco, with zero issues. Does that qualify me as an apologist or as a somewhat experienced first-hand user? What is the term for people who parrot crap they heard at the range, "claim" to have seen multiple rifles failing in less than 3000 rounds, or proudly boast that they have read enough on the Internet to know all there is to know about nea?
The REAL interesting question is why many here cannot resist the temptation to dump on NEA at every available opportunity? There has been more than a few people who seem to have made it their mission to save the world from NEA! Such noble sjws! The number of NEA hate threads has less to do with the quality of their product and more to do with some weird CGN phenomenon I've referred to previously as The NEA Effect. Quite bizarre!
Yeah but NEA is not model T. May be original Armalite could be considered model t. They are trying to make a copy of a 50!year old design and they fucrked up.
And now they fixed the mistakes.. so why still all the complaining from so many people
Peculiar isn't it? The US has dumped Billions of dollars (and thousands of lives) into Iraq and those security forces are fairly active I'm going to guess. I can't see the US going for the cheapest bidder to try and save a buck when it comes to putting rifles in the SFs hands, I've seen them with $2000 Elcan spectres.
So why issue NEA15s? From a Canadian company?
GunsNotPuns
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Less money lost when the Iraqi forces drop their rifles while advancing backwards rapidly.
Legit observation I'll give you that. Good thing the west spent 10+ years, billions of dollars and thousands of lives lost training them eh?
But really they could have just gave them old M16a2s like they did the Airforce Security forces, or old M4s.
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naaa... they are not running away, they are selling there guns to ISIS then disappearing.
Perfect plan... now ISIS will have the nightmare of NEA firearms... 40 000 of them to give them Woes!
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there is a difference between unforeseen engineering issues on a complex piece of machinery that is a car.
Compared to putting out simple tried tested and true designs that have been around decades but having the parts break or not fit due to bad workmanship and materials.
