whats with the hate of for NEA?

Another one of these threads?:popCorn::popCorn:

NEA has improved quite a bit within the last year or so from what I've heard. I'm sure they make great products now.

However their name and reputation has been tarnished and will continue to be for quite a while. There where too many bad experiences within a short time.

I would have changed my companies name if I was in a similar position to start re-earning my reputation.
 
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Well if they are trying to rebuild their reputation the positive posts
From this thread should help.

People talk, things get around. Every company has growing pains but sounds
Like these guys had alot. There product prices are relatively cheap so I wouldnt expect to
Much quality but the rifle has to atleast perform.

I spent $600 on a asa side charger stripped upper receiver and you
Can tell you kinda got what you paid for, Extreme quality. Probably a little
Overpriced but I bought ot from western metals and they want top dollar for everything
And are the only importer.

I can see why they have cut corners after looking at their prices, it would
Be tough to turn enough profit quick enough to run a business like that.
But reputation is paramount to success.
 
Never seen the m-lok design. And I also think that at the time, the design was innovative, I still do. The QD points were a little buggered up, but that has been fixed. It's rather good right out of the box in comparison for the time.
Runningfool said:
The handguard, at the time it was introduced, wasn't that outdated. In fact, their removal of most of the side rails was somewhat innovative back in 2011 when many were still doing fully railed sides. Plus you have to give credit to the fact that it was free-floated which was unheard of on ARs in Canada at that price point then.
Their new handguard design is a lot lighter, m-lock, and is a decent update imo.
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Yes and no. By that I was meaning they are in different markets and different customer base .. it's really hard to compare the two if you wanted to. You also can't really compare the mass produced rack grade AR to boutique custom shop either.
C18cz858 said:
Well you get what you pay for I guess.

I really did like their vz 58 hand guard design, I still do I might get one.
I have there bolt release for the vz58 I love that thing
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There were issues with some of their early guns which have mostly been fixed. I think a lot of the hate comes from drama lama's stiring the pot and not letting go of what was an admittedly questionable gun. Some had problems, some didn't . I have an earlier NEA with 8-10 thousand rounds through it from 3 gun and a couple of classes and I haven't had any issues that weren't mag related. I would still buy another if I were to do it again.
 
They still have issues. Their QC sucks and their communication with warranty work leaves a lot to be desired. Why are the experiences among members here so polarized? It's like it's a crap shoot. Your experience seems to depend on who made your gun, what day of the week, and whether the planets are in alignment.

Still waiting on my CCS stock. None are made to spec and I'm trying to get my money back.
 
I wish NEA supplied ISIL with guns. Then we wouldn't need to worry about them shooting back since they will fail miserably.
 
40,000 units to the Kurds?
First I've heard of this. Any announcements made abut such a deal?
Of course, the member who states this has inside contacts.
 
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FrankieT said:
Why are the experiences among members here so polarized? It's like it's a crap shoot.
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LordEvilPepper said:
... why not just spend the extra $300 in the first place and buy a decent Windham instead of dealing with all the grief over 3 months and spending the same amount anyways?
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As someone who's still on the fence re buying an AR I have no personal interest in one maker vs another.
I also generally have no interest in threads that devolve into vitriol.
Having read this far, I must admit these two comments make the most sense to me.
Sorry NEA, you're out of the running for my first AR, if/when it happens.
 
LordEvilPepper said:
why not just spend the extra $300 in the first place and buy a decent windem instead of dealing with all the grief over 3 months and spending the same amount anyways?
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You can't really argue with this wisdom at all. NEA has a lot of QC issues and a lot of warranty returns. I've never had a Norinco AR but it seems like NEAs have more issues than Norcs but I admit I don't pay much attention to Norinco. Still really like my NEA for what I use it for/paid for it.

Spend a couple more dollars and lessen the chances you'll be an unhappy buyer as LEP said.
Spend even more and get a sweet non-restricted rifle you can take camping, hunting or use for self-defense without an extra charge.



Being aware of the stated NEA QC issues I'm also aware of some pretty interesting clients they have. Perhaps they have higher end products and ship those out of country?

I know we have a need to know mentality (I'd say even feel entitled to know) but given the spotlight on Canadian arms exporting, and peoples intrinsic desire to talk and cause ####, keeping their client base on the down low isn't necessarily a poor business decision.
 
TriggerTime said:
As someone who's still on the fence re buying an AR I have no personal interest in one maker vs another.
I also generally have no interest in threads that devolve into vitriol.
Having read this far, I must admit these two comments make the most sense to me.
Sorry NEA, you're out of the running for my first AR, if/when it happens.
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Sounds like you're a smart consumer who isn't swayed by the emotional rants of a few. That's good. Just take out that "if" it happens nonsense, and leave it at "when" it happens :)

My only response to Lordevilpepper's comment is that he's mostly talking about issues from 3 years ago. And 3 months of grief and spending the same amount anyways? I don't think that has ever been the case with NEA - for all of the things NEA has gotten wrong, customer support has generally been one they got right. From prepaid shipping labels sent to those needing to send their rifle back to quick mailing out of parts to get users back up and running, I'd say that of all the guns I own the LEAST grief I would experience if something went wrong would be my NEAs.

What I would say though is the ar market around the price point of NEA-15s is much more crowded now so it is smart to look at what else is available in that price range or what you can get for an extra $300 like lordevilpepper suggests. Back when I bought my first NEA it wasn't an extra $300 it was an extra $5-600 so it was maybe worth it to take a bit of a gamble on a new ar manufacturer. Now the price gap has closed considerably but now buying an NEA is hardly a gamble.

You're in my neck of the woods so you or anyone else who is on the fence about NEA is welcome to come and check out my 3 NEA-15s. I have an early gen (14.5") with over 10,000 rounds through it, a 7.5" I built from NEA parts (mostly), and a current gen (18" I bought 1 year ago). I also shoot in my club level 3 gun match every month and there are 5 other guys who run NEA-15s and you are welcome to come and see them in action. Of the 6 of us with NEA-15s that shoot together every month I can tell you that our collective issues have amounted to the following: one bolt shearing a lug (was part of that faulty batch a couple of years ago), one trigger issue (it was doubling, same poor buggar who had the lug shear), and one faulty extractor.
 
When the qc stuff was going on and they were saying they were fixing their problems I contacted them and said I was willing to give them a chance with them being a Canadian company and all that. All I asked is what they have done in the qc dept to improve things. Zero response. Can't be bothered to answer my simple question? I can't be bothered to give them my money. They will not see any money from me ever.
 
tiriaq said:
40,000 units to the Kurds?
First I've heard of this. Any announcements made abut such a deal?
Of course, the OP has inside contacts.
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lol, 40000 rifles, thats like almost 15% of the entire kurdish forces, from one little known company all the way in Canada.
maybe he kurds will put a griffon on their flag now
so funny the stuff people make up or just believe flat out
 
https://twitter.com/iraqliveupdate/status/687616253645688833

Iraqi Security Forces received a delivery of Canadian NEA-15 rifles
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I have no way of knowing one way or another about 40K units. But if its true I would love to hear field reports on how well those are doing in real-life situations.
 
runningfool.... a range trip for myself and most people is over an hour drive each way. its 40 km one way to the post office. its time and money... 1 or 2 issues is now $300 out of my pocket... and for most issues ive seen your paying the shipping to the warrenty center.

there has been plenty of NEA issues in the last couple years... maybe not as many as 3 years ago.. but still lots.



here is food for thought...

A Company with bad QC, its not that they arn't putting out a good product, a safe product, a product that's is every bit as good as what they promise; it's that they let the bad apples leave the factory as well, so that 1:10 , 1:100 or even 1:10 000 persons that buy the product are left injured, maimed or feeling failed: fiscally, physically, mentally or all three.
 
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